OttoSchloss
Active Member
He looks like a Citheen from Doctor Who.
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nfitz
Superstar
Ford hardly has a record of trying to work with people. Do we really need that kind of trailer trash as mayor? How is he going to get consensus? Scream at people until they vote his way? Sit on them?
A mayor has to have some some rare qualities to work with people, and build consenus. Ford doesn't have this. Heck, Smitherman doesn't have this. John Tory is strong at this - though I thought he'd made it very clear he wasn't running - and would likely self-destruct with some boneheaded idea.
SimonP
Active Member
Ford goes to city council, and routinely vote no to everything. His essential position is that the city should spend money on nothing other than police. Even the right on council very rarely votes with Ford.
I looked through one sessions of city council (June 23 - 24, 2008). From just that one session here are a series of motions that Ford was the only, or one of only two councillors, to oppose:
Access, Equity and Human Rights (AEHR) - Community Partnership
and Investment Program (CPIP)
Yes - 29
Councillors: Ainslie, Ashton, Augimeri, Carroll, Cho, Davis,
De Baeremaeker, Del Grande, Di Giorgio, Filion,
Fletcher, Holyday, Jenkins, Lee, Lindsay Luby,
Mammoliti, McConnell, Milczyn, Moeser, Moscoe,
Nunziata, Palacio, Perks, Rae, Saundercook, Stintz,
Thompson, Vaughan, Walker
No - 1
Councillor: Ford
Drug Prevention Community Investment Program Allocations
Yes - 24
Councillors: Ainslie, Ashton, Augimeri, Carroll, Cho, Davis,
De Baeremaeker, Di Giorgio, Filion, Fletcher, Holyday,
Jenkins, Lindsay Luby, Mammoliti, McConnell,
Milczyn, Moscoe, Nunziata, Palacio, Perks, Rae, Stintz,
Vaughan, Walker
No - 2
Councillors: Del Grande, Ford
AIDS Prevention Community Investment Program Allocation
Recommendations
Yes - 25
Councillors: Ainslie, Ashton, Augimeri, Carroll, Cho, Davis,
De Baeremaeker, Del Grande, Di Giorgio, Filion,
Fletcher, Holyday, Jenkins, Lee, Lindsay Luby,
Mammoliti, McConnell, Milczyn, Moscoe, Palacio,
Perks, Rae, Stintz, Vaughan, Walker
No - 2
Councillors: Ford, Nunziata
Community Festivals and Special
Events Allocation
Yes - 28
Councillors: Ainslie, Ashton, Augimeri, Carroll, Cho, Davis,
De Baeremaeker, Di Giorgio, Filion, Fletcher, Holyday,
Jenkins, Lee, Lindsay Luby, Mammoliti, McConnell,
Milczyn, Moeser, Moscoe, Nunziata, Palacio, Perks,
Rae, Saundercook, Stintz, Thompson, Vaughan, Walker
No - 2
Councillors: Del Grande, Ford
Parks, Forestry and Recreation 2008 Recreation Allocation
Yes - 29
Councillors: Ainslie, Ashton, Augimeri, Carroll, Cho, Davis,
De Baeremaeker, Del Grande, Di Giorgio, Filion,
Fletcher, Holyday, Jenkins, Lee, Lindsay Luby,
Mammoliti, McConnell, Milczyn, Moeser, Moscoe,
Nunziata, Palacio, Perks, Rae, Saundercook, Stintz,
Thompson, Vaughan, Walker
No - 1
Councillor: Ford
Community Safety Investment Program (CSI) 2008 Allocation
Recommendations
Yes - 29
Councillors: Ainslie, Ashton, Augimeri, Carroll, Cho, Davis,
De Baeremaeker, Del Grande, Di Giorgio, Filion,
Fletcher, Holyday, Jenkins, Lee, Lindsay Luby,
Mammoliti, McConnell, Milczyn, Moeser, Moscoe,
Nunziata, Palacio, Perks, Rae, Saundercook, Stintz,
Thompson, Vaughan, Walker
No - 1
Councillor: Ford
Community Service Partnerships - 2008 Allocation Recommendations
Yes - 29
Councillors: Ainslie, Ashton, Augimeri, Carroll, Cho, Davis,
De Baeremaeker, Del Grande, Di Giorgio, Filion,
Fletcher, Holyday, Jenkins, Lee, Lindsay Luby,
Mammoliti, McConnell, Milczyn, Moeser, Moscoe,
Nunziata, Palacio, Perks, Rae, Saundercook, Stintz,
Thompson, Vaughan, Walker
No - 1
Councillor: Ford
I looked through one sessions of city council (June 23 - 24, 2008). From just that one session here are a series of motions that Ford was the only, or one of only two councillors, to oppose:
Access, Equity and Human Rights (AEHR) - Community Partnership
and Investment Program (CPIP)
Yes - 29
Councillors: Ainslie, Ashton, Augimeri, Carroll, Cho, Davis,
De Baeremaeker, Del Grande, Di Giorgio, Filion,
Fletcher, Holyday, Jenkins, Lee, Lindsay Luby,
Mammoliti, McConnell, Milczyn, Moeser, Moscoe,
Nunziata, Palacio, Perks, Rae, Saundercook, Stintz,
Thompson, Vaughan, Walker
No - 1
Councillor: Ford
Drug Prevention Community Investment Program Allocations
Yes - 24
Councillors: Ainslie, Ashton, Augimeri, Carroll, Cho, Davis,
De Baeremaeker, Di Giorgio, Filion, Fletcher, Holyday,
Jenkins, Lindsay Luby, Mammoliti, McConnell,
Milczyn, Moscoe, Nunziata, Palacio, Perks, Rae, Stintz,
Vaughan, Walker
No - 2
Councillors: Del Grande, Ford
AIDS Prevention Community Investment Program Allocation
Recommendations
Yes - 25
Councillors: Ainslie, Ashton, Augimeri, Carroll, Cho, Davis,
De Baeremaeker, Del Grande, Di Giorgio, Filion,
Fletcher, Holyday, Jenkins, Lee, Lindsay Luby,
Mammoliti, McConnell, Milczyn, Moscoe, Palacio,
Perks, Rae, Stintz, Vaughan, Walker
No - 2
Councillors: Ford, Nunziata
Community Festivals and Special
Events Allocation
Yes - 28
Councillors: Ainslie, Ashton, Augimeri, Carroll, Cho, Davis,
De Baeremaeker, Di Giorgio, Filion, Fletcher, Holyday,
Jenkins, Lee, Lindsay Luby, Mammoliti, McConnell,
Milczyn, Moeser, Moscoe, Nunziata, Palacio, Perks,
Rae, Saundercook, Stintz, Thompson, Vaughan, Walker
No - 2
Councillors: Del Grande, Ford
Parks, Forestry and Recreation 2008 Recreation Allocation
Yes - 29
Councillors: Ainslie, Ashton, Augimeri, Carroll, Cho, Davis,
De Baeremaeker, Del Grande, Di Giorgio, Filion,
Fletcher, Holyday, Jenkins, Lee, Lindsay Luby,
Mammoliti, McConnell, Milczyn, Moeser, Moscoe,
Nunziata, Palacio, Perks, Rae, Saundercook, Stintz,
Thompson, Vaughan, Walker
No - 1
Councillor: Ford
Community Safety Investment Program (CSI) 2008 Allocation
Recommendations
Yes - 29
Councillors: Ainslie, Ashton, Augimeri, Carroll, Cho, Davis,
De Baeremaeker, Del Grande, Di Giorgio, Filion,
Fletcher, Holyday, Jenkins, Lee, Lindsay Luby,
Mammoliti, McConnell, Milczyn, Moeser, Moscoe,
Nunziata, Palacio, Perks, Rae, Saundercook, Stintz,
Thompson, Vaughan, Walker
No - 1
Councillor: Ford
Community Service Partnerships - 2008 Allocation Recommendations
Yes - 29
Councillors: Ainslie, Ashton, Augimeri, Carroll, Cho, Davis,
De Baeremaeker, Del Grande, Di Giorgio, Filion,
Fletcher, Holyday, Jenkins, Lee, Lindsay Luby,
Mammoliti, McConnell, Milczyn, Moeser, Moscoe,
Nunziata, Palacio, Perks, Rae, Saundercook, Stintz,
Thompson, Vaughan, Walker
No - 1
Councillor: Ford
spider
Senior Member
SimonP
You chose one meeting 2 years ago. Did it rain that day and if so should we expect it to rain every day into perpetuity?
I think the items voted on appear to be related to funding community NGO groups.
You chose one meeting 2 years ago. Did it rain that day and if so should we expect it to rain every day into perpetuity?
I think the items voted on appear to be related to funding community NGO groups.
Tewder
Senior Member
Also, wasn't this around the time the financial crisis was blowing up as the world was poised to slide into recession? Can we really be that shocked if a fiscal conservative was voting against government spending programs in this context?
SimonP
Active Member
I chose that last one at random. Here is another meeting from earlier this year (January 26 - 27, 2010) It shows the same thing. This meeting focused on run of the mill planning issues, and Ford follows the same pattern of being alone or almost alone in opposing measures even the right on council supported.
The mayor of Toronto only has one vote on council. The be successful the mayor needs to be able to get the support of 22 other councillors. If all Ford can do is occasionally convince Del Grande or Holyday to join him, how will he accomplish anything?
Licence Agreement-Toronto Hydro Energy Services Inc.
Yes: 35
Ainslie, Ashton, Cho, Davis, De Baeremaeker, Del Grande, Di Giorgio, Filion, Fletcher, Giambrone, Grimes, Hall, Heaps, Holyday, Jenkins, Kelly, Lee, Lindsay Luby (Chair), Mammoliti, McConnell, Mihevc, Milczyn, Miller, Moeser, Moscoe, Nunziata, Pantalone, Perks, Perruzza, Rae, Saundercook, Shiner, Thompson, Vaughan, Walker
No: 2
Ford, Ootes
City Council request the Toronto Transit Commission to have meaningful consultation with interested communities and local councillors regarding urban design, bicycle lanes and landscaping issues.
Yes: 40
Ainslie, Ashton, Augimeri, Bussin (Chair), Carroll, Cho, Davis, De Baeremaeker, Del Grande, Di Giorgio, Filion, Giambrone, Grimes, Hall, Heaps, Jenkins, Kelly, Lee, Lindsay Luby, McConnell, Mihevc, Milczyn, Miller, Minnan-Wong, Moeser, Moscoe, Nunziata, Ootes, Palacio, Pantalone, Parker, Perks, Perruzza, Rae, Saundercook, Shiner, Stintz, Thompson, Vaughan, Walker
No: 2
Ford, Holyday
North York City Centre Service Road Acquisition - 30 Churchill Avenue and 31 Churchill Avenue
Yes: 28
Ainslie, Ashton, Cho, Davis, Del Grande, Di Giorgio, Filion, Grimes, Hall, Heaps, Holyday, Jenkins, Lee, Lindsay Luby (Chair), McConnell, Mihevc, Minnan-Wong, Moscoe, Ootes, Palacio, Pantalone, Parker, Perks, Rae, Stintz, Thompson, Vaughan, Walker
No: 1
Ford
Contract Amendment to Various Digital Photocopier and Facsimile Equipment and Services Contracts
Yes: 28
Ainslie, Ashton, Cho, Davis, De Baeremaeker, Del Grande, Di Giorgio, Filion, Hall, Heaps, Holyday, Jenkins, Kelly, Lee, Lindsay Luby (Chair), McConnell, Mihevc, Milczyn, Moscoe, Nunziata, Palacio, Parker, Perks, Perruzza, Rae, Stintz, Vaughan, Walker
No: 1
Ford
Change the fee for inspection services to reflect a $94.00 one-hour minimum with additional hours charged at a rate of $55.00
Yes: 30
Ainslie, Ashton, Bussin (Chair), Carroll, Cho, Del Grande, Feldman, Filion, Hall, Heaps, Holyday, Jenkins, Kelly, Lee, Lindsay Luby, Mammoliti, McConnell, Mihevc, Moeser, Moscoe, Nunziata, Ootes, Palacio, Perks, Perruzza, Rae, Saundercook, Stintz, Thompson, Vaughan
No: 1
Ford
Traffic Control Signal Study - Warden Avenue and Lupin Drive
Yes: 29
Ainslie, Ashton, Bussin (Chair), Carroll, Cho, Davis, De Baeremaeker, Del Grande, Di Giorgio, Grimes, Hall, Jenkins, Kelly, Lee, Lindsay Luby, McConnell, Mihevc, Milczyn, Moscoe, Nunziata, Palacio, Parker, Perks, Perruzza, Rae, Saundercook, Stintz, Vaughan, Walker
No: 2
Ford, Holyday
Traffic Control Signal Study – Danforth Road and Pilkington Drive
Yes: 30
Ainslie, Ashton, Bussin (Chair), Carroll, Cho, Davis, De Baeremaeker, Del Grande, Di Giorgio, Filion, Grimes, Hall, Jenkins, Kelly, Lee, Lindsay Luby, McConnell, Mihevc, Milczyn, Moscoe, Nunziata, Palacio, Parker, Perks, Perruzza, Rae, Saundercook, Stintz, Vaughan, Walker
No: 2
Ford, Holyday
589 King Street East - Rezoning Application
Yes: 30
Ainslie, Ashton, Bussin (Chair), Carroll, Cho, Davis, De Baeremaeker, Del Grande, Di Giorgio, Filion, Grimes, Hall, Holyday, Jenkins, Lee, Lindsay Luby, McConnell, Mihevc, Milczyn, Moscoe, Nunziata, Palacio, Parker, Perks, Perruzza, Rae, Saundercook, Stintz, Vaughan, Walker
No: 1
Ford
City position at the Ontario Municipal Board - A0333/09NY - 35 Rochester Avenue
Yes: 37
Ainslie, Ashton, Bussin (Chair), Carroll, Cho, Davis, De Baeremaeker, Di Giorgio, Filion, Giambrone, Grimes, Hall, Heaps, Holyday, Jenkins, Kelly, Lee, Lindsay Luby, McConnell, Mihevc, Milczyn, Miller, Minnan-Wong, Moeser, Moscoe, Nunziata, Ootes, Palacio, Pantalone, Parker, Perks, Perruzza, Rae, Saundercook, Stintz, Vaughan, Walker
No: 2
Ford, Thompson
The mayor of Toronto only has one vote on council. The be successful the mayor needs to be able to get the support of 22 other councillors. If all Ford can do is occasionally convince Del Grande or Holyday to join him, how will he accomplish anything?
Licence Agreement-Toronto Hydro Energy Services Inc.
Yes: 35
Ainslie, Ashton, Cho, Davis, De Baeremaeker, Del Grande, Di Giorgio, Filion, Fletcher, Giambrone, Grimes, Hall, Heaps, Holyday, Jenkins, Kelly, Lee, Lindsay Luby (Chair), Mammoliti, McConnell, Mihevc, Milczyn, Miller, Moeser, Moscoe, Nunziata, Pantalone, Perks, Perruzza, Rae, Saundercook, Shiner, Thompson, Vaughan, Walker
No: 2
Ford, Ootes
City Council request the Toronto Transit Commission to have meaningful consultation with interested communities and local councillors regarding urban design, bicycle lanes and landscaping issues.
Yes: 40
Ainslie, Ashton, Augimeri, Bussin (Chair), Carroll, Cho, Davis, De Baeremaeker, Del Grande, Di Giorgio, Filion, Giambrone, Grimes, Hall, Heaps, Jenkins, Kelly, Lee, Lindsay Luby, McConnell, Mihevc, Milczyn, Miller, Minnan-Wong, Moeser, Moscoe, Nunziata, Ootes, Palacio, Pantalone, Parker, Perks, Perruzza, Rae, Saundercook, Shiner, Stintz, Thompson, Vaughan, Walker
No: 2
Ford, Holyday
North York City Centre Service Road Acquisition - 30 Churchill Avenue and 31 Churchill Avenue
Yes: 28
Ainslie, Ashton, Cho, Davis, Del Grande, Di Giorgio, Filion, Grimes, Hall, Heaps, Holyday, Jenkins, Lee, Lindsay Luby (Chair), McConnell, Mihevc, Minnan-Wong, Moscoe, Ootes, Palacio, Pantalone, Parker, Perks, Rae, Stintz, Thompson, Vaughan, Walker
No: 1
Ford
Contract Amendment to Various Digital Photocopier and Facsimile Equipment and Services Contracts
Yes: 28
Ainslie, Ashton, Cho, Davis, De Baeremaeker, Del Grande, Di Giorgio, Filion, Hall, Heaps, Holyday, Jenkins, Kelly, Lee, Lindsay Luby (Chair), McConnell, Mihevc, Milczyn, Moscoe, Nunziata, Palacio, Parker, Perks, Perruzza, Rae, Stintz, Vaughan, Walker
No: 1
Ford
Change the fee for inspection services to reflect a $94.00 one-hour minimum with additional hours charged at a rate of $55.00
Yes: 30
Ainslie, Ashton, Bussin (Chair), Carroll, Cho, Del Grande, Feldman, Filion, Hall, Heaps, Holyday, Jenkins, Kelly, Lee, Lindsay Luby, Mammoliti, McConnell, Mihevc, Moeser, Moscoe, Nunziata, Ootes, Palacio, Perks, Perruzza, Rae, Saundercook, Stintz, Thompson, Vaughan
No: 1
Ford
Traffic Control Signal Study - Warden Avenue and Lupin Drive
Yes: 29
Ainslie, Ashton, Bussin (Chair), Carroll, Cho, Davis, De Baeremaeker, Del Grande, Di Giorgio, Grimes, Hall, Jenkins, Kelly, Lee, Lindsay Luby, McConnell, Mihevc, Milczyn, Moscoe, Nunziata, Palacio, Parker, Perks, Perruzza, Rae, Saundercook, Stintz, Vaughan, Walker
No: 2
Ford, Holyday
Traffic Control Signal Study – Danforth Road and Pilkington Drive
Yes: 30
Ainslie, Ashton, Bussin (Chair), Carroll, Cho, Davis, De Baeremaeker, Del Grande, Di Giorgio, Filion, Grimes, Hall, Jenkins, Kelly, Lee, Lindsay Luby, McConnell, Mihevc, Milczyn, Moscoe, Nunziata, Palacio, Parker, Perks, Perruzza, Rae, Saundercook, Stintz, Vaughan, Walker
No: 2
Ford, Holyday
589 King Street East - Rezoning Application
Yes: 30
Ainslie, Ashton, Bussin (Chair), Carroll, Cho, Davis, De Baeremaeker, Del Grande, Di Giorgio, Filion, Grimes, Hall, Holyday, Jenkins, Lee, Lindsay Luby, McConnell, Mihevc, Milczyn, Moscoe, Nunziata, Palacio, Parker, Perks, Perruzza, Rae, Saundercook, Stintz, Vaughan, Walker
No: 1
Ford
City position at the Ontario Municipal Board - A0333/09NY - 35 Rochester Avenue
Yes: 37
Ainslie, Ashton, Bussin (Chair), Carroll, Cho, Davis, De Baeremaeker, Di Giorgio, Filion, Giambrone, Grimes, Hall, Heaps, Holyday, Jenkins, Kelly, Lee, Lindsay Luby, McConnell, Mihevc, Milczyn, Miller, Minnan-Wong, Moeser, Moscoe, Nunziata, Ootes, Palacio, Pantalone, Parker, Perks, Perruzza, Rae, Saundercook, Stintz, Vaughan, Walker
No: 2
Ford, Thompson
Aye, there's the rub.
js97
Senior Member
How about these more recent ones... maybe a goodbye present from city hall to Kyle rae?
Do you agree to spend $7,000 to send Councillor Kyle Rae to an AIDS conference in Austria:
No: Del Grande
Ford
Holyday
Shiner
Yes: everyone else
Or this one biggie:
Do you agree to give Councillors a pay raise in 2010?
NO:
Ashton,Cho,Ford,Grimes,Hall,Holyday,Jenkins,Lee,Milczyn,Minnan-Wong,Moeser,Nunziata,OotesPalacio,Stintz
Walker,
Yes:
Ainslie,Bussin,Carroll,Davis,De Baeremaeker,Del Grande,Di Giorgio,Filion,Heaps,Kelly,Lindsay Luby,McConnell,Mihevc,Miller,Moscoe
Pantalone,Perks,Perruzza,Rae,Saundercook,Thompson,Vaughan
Why spend the 50k for a 'study' when you're going to vote for it already?
how about this one that really pisses me off?
Do you agree that 1,254 City employees should be able to spend $9 million in 2009 with Tax Payer-funded Master Cards when the City does not have a list of cardholders nor review the purchases
NO:Ford
Grimes
Nunziata
Yes:
all the other clowns....
lack of accountability?
In other news, looks like SimonP is logging some serious campaign hours
Do you agree to spend $7,000 to send Councillor Kyle Rae to an AIDS conference in Austria:
No: Del Grande
Ford
Holyday
Shiner
Yes: everyone else
Or this one biggie:
Do you agree to give Councillors a pay raise in 2010?
NO:
Ashton,Cho,Ford,Grimes,Hall,Holyday,Jenkins,Lee,Milczyn,Minnan-Wong,Moeser,Nunziata,OotesPalacio,Stintz
Walker,
Yes:
Ainslie,Bussin,Carroll,Davis,De Baeremaeker,Del Grande,Di Giorgio,Filion,Heaps,Kelly,Lindsay Luby,McConnell,Mihevc,Miller,Moscoe
Pantalone,Perks,Perruzza,Rae,Saundercook,Thompson,Vaughan
Why spend the 50k for a 'study' when you're going to vote for it already?
how about this one that really pisses me off?
Do you agree that 1,254 City employees should be able to spend $9 million in 2009 with Tax Payer-funded Master Cards when the City does not have a list of cardholders nor review the purchases
NO:Ford
Grimes
Nunziata
Yes:
all the other clowns....
lack of accountability?
In other news, looks like SimonP is logging some serious campaign hours
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nfitz
Superstar
Ford's voting record is infamous and well known. Why are you questioning this? You'll find the same thing at many meetings.
SimonP
Active Member
What is your point with the above? No one said Ford votes alone every time.
What is unique about Ford is that he habitually is the lone no vote on council. No other councillor so regularly votes against matters that everyone right and left supports.
When you're holding positions that most of the time even Mike Del Grande finds too right wing, how can you hope to get the 22 votes needed to pass anything?
Tewder
Senior Member
If you're going to cherry pick examples to prove a point somebody else can cherry pick ones to disprove it. Besides, voting against the majority of clowns on council may actually be seen as courageous and elightened by many given how successful many council policies end up being, or are at least perceived as being...
GraphicMatt
Looking forward to a FRESH START for Toronto
SimonP 'cherry picked' his examples from actual city council records using the original wording of the votes. js97 'cherry picked' his examples from RobFord.ca where they've been reworded to make them sound evil.
SimonP
Active Member
But that's my point, how do those counter examples disprove anything? They are just a series of (failed) votes that he happens to like.
If you want to disprove the idea that Ford is unusual in voting alone against city council, list some votes where other councillors have been so regularly outside of the mainstream.
Or if you want to demonstrate that he can work to get enough votes to pass anything, perhaps you can show some successes Ford has had on council. Has he accomplished anything in the 10 years he's been there? The bio he has on his website doesn't list a single accomplishment on council. The list of council votes is a catalogue of one failure after another. A quick count shows that of the 126 votes Ford was on the winning side of only 12 of them.
spider
Senior Member
I don't believe Jesus was a mainstream guy either not that I wish to elevate Mr. Ford to compete in His league but consensus for it's own sake is a losing formula.
GraphicMatt
Looking forward to a FRESH START for Toronto
Do you have any idea how many nails they would need to use to get Rob Ford to stick to that cross?