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PinkLucy said:
Absolutely. In all seriousness, I have often wondered about this type of connection with Ford and the football team. Since I actually do care about children, I hope it's not the case.
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I'd be absolutely unsurprised--indeed, the real shocker is how there *hasn't* been any real exploration of the steroids/high-school-football connection, unless high school football is deemed too "small stuff" for steroid scandals...
 
junior43 said:
Do you know surveillance costs well north of $1000/hr? What's the point of nailing Ford for a DUI. Bailao was convicted of DUI, she's still on council, Ainslie got the 24 hour timeout, still on council. They take a calculated risk in skipping the DUI to get Lisi's suppliers and Ford on major charges. I get the feeling you'd be shocked and dumbfounded to know how many times this actually occurs. Ford wasn't an exception, this is SOP when hunting the big fish.
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They didn't have to arrest him. They could have escorted him to his hotel or called him a cab. His handlers should have done that, actually.
 
PinkLucy said:
They didn't have to arrest him. They could have escorted him to his hotel or called him a cab. His handlers should have done that, actually.
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Then he either knows he's being followed, or gets paranoid. This happens all the time, you just never hear about it when they're surveilling targets. If Ford wasn't high profile, no one would be the wiser.

You want them to feel like they're getting away with it........
 
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Sunnybrook to Jarvis/Dundas is not very far at all. They probably weren't even looking for him headed that way as he'd be expected to head west to Etobicoke.
 
junior43 said:
Then he either knows he's being followed, or gets paranoid. This happens all the time, you just never hear about it when they're surveilling targets. If Ford wasn't high profile, no one would be the wiser.

You want them to feel like they're getting away with it........
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Yeah, your scenario makes sense ... except for the part, reported by CBC, etc., where TPS catches up with RoFo and has a chat with him at his hotel later that evening.

I get the idea that cops should not bust Serious Bad Guys for relatively minor infractions (and chronic DUI is hardly ever minor, I think) if they are still looking for evidence that could convict the SBGs for something much worse.

But, as a total outsider, I think all evidence points to Rob Ford being just an idiot and an addict, with a giant risk of smashing some innocent family to pieces with his Escalade. When the history is written on this ugly story, some TPS people better hope that there is a really good explanation for their reticence to pull RoFo over and ask him to blow into a breathalyzer.
 
junior43 said:
Well, in general, the leader sets the policies of the party for an election, or during the term of their time as leader. Yes, the party also contributes, but the leader generally steers it in their favour, since they're the leader. So if the leader is in control for a majority of their term, their goals are what drives it (and this could be what someone voted for).
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I'm quite certain it's the cabinet that sets the agenda, and not the leader.
 
zang said:
I'm quite certain it's the cabinet that sets the agenda, and not the leader.
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Really? Always? You're probably right about Queen's Park in 2013 and a lot of other places and times in Canadian history, but a serious counterexample has been going on in Ottawa for the last several years.
 
junior43 said:
Then he either knows he's being followed, or gets paranoid. This happens all the time, you just never hear about it when they're surveilling targets. If Ford wasn't high profile, no one would be the wiser.

You want them to feel like they're getting away with it........
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of course. who knows how many drug deals police "saw" or overheard in the Dixon buildings during Project Traveller (maybe even fights? stabbings?) and they didn't step in. They would've given away the whole thing. Only difference is, you have never heard of those thugs/dealers/victims.

Who knows how many crimes the FBI witnessed while watching and building a case against John Gotti? I suppose you could say that Ford isn't in the same league. But if a drunk-driving Gotti had plowed into a woman pushing a stroller and killed both mom and baby, would those deaths really be any less tragic because the FBI were working on a massive mafia takedown? I doubt it would make the victims' family feel better.
 
CalgarianExOntarian said:
Yeah, your scenario makes sense ... except for the part, reported by CBC, etc., where TPS catches up with RoFo and has a chat with him at his hotel later that evening.

I get the idea that cops should not bust Serious Bad Guys for relatively minor infractions (and chronic DUI is hardly ever minor, I think) if they are still looking for evidence that could convict the SBGs for something much worse.

But, as a total outsider, I think all evidence points to Rob Ford being just an idiot and an addict, with a giant risk of smashing some innocent family to pieces with his Escalade. When the history is written on this ugly story, some TPS people better hope that there is a really good explanation for their reticence to pull RoFo over and ask him to blow into a breathalyzer.
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Drunk driving is a tough one if you don't stop the guy in the car. They can always claim they had a drink after they got out of the car (and sometimes people do, just to be able to claim that). It renders any breathalyser test invalid, and then you're into witness testimony, which, eeek.
 
TheTigerMaster said:
I can't be the only one hoping that he replaced it with near pure C[SUB]2[/SUB]H[SUB]6[/SUB]O (more commonly known as ethanol or dimethylether). It's a quick way to rid ourselves of this menace permanently. :cool:
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TinyTiny said:
Ethanol and dimethylether are two completely different substances. Same chemical formula, totally different structures and properties.
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Yes they are. Only share the same chemical formula. Arrangement makes a huge difference.

Dimethylether isn't even an alcohol, due to their different arrangements (it has no -OH functional - CH3-O-CH3 vs. CH3–CH2–OH). One of them is a gas at room temp, and the other a liquid.
 
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adma said:
Probably a victim of the cellphone/internet-advertising era, i.e. it's easier to pass oneself off incognito. (And the doom was already spelled out when actual old-school streetwalkers came to be increasingly emaciated-looking by the 90s.)
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I think most of it has been taken indoors. Answering machines and—more importantly—accessible-anywhere voicemail allowed prostitution to move indoors and moved the solicitation (in Canada, the illegal part of it) to a more ambiguous grey zone.
 
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