Gavin
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A subway.. but that'll never happen since nobody seems to know how to build a transit system in this country.
And in the meantime? And with what money?
A subway.. but that'll never happen since nobody seems to know how to build a transit system in this country.
Agreed - just trying to understand how contracting out would avoid any strikes.
And in the meantime? And with what money?
A subway.. but that'll never happen since nobody seems to know how to build a transit system in this country.
What about Montreal and Vancouver?
Both have very good transit systems.
And in some areas a subway would be a waste of money, which is why LRT is being put in.. like Eglinton.
A subway costs 3x as much money to build, and it isn't even needed. This is the "gravy train" that Ford said he'd stop.
Oh I don't... Silly me thought that as Canada being one of the world's wealthiest nations would have money for such things.. Guess not.
Or Ontario for that matter.. Wait what? We're throwing $5 billion for streetcars in the suburbs? Ah, well there's your reason, darling.
Montreal's subway system, aside from the horrible frequencies, runs laps around ours. Vancouver managed to build a majority underground line in just 4 years from announcement.
Here's the difference - both these cities aren't throwing their entire apples in the LRT basket. Save Transit City? I say kill it. The city has spoken and the overwhelming majority wants subways.
Montreal's subway system, aside from the horrible frequencies, runs laps around ours. Vancouver managed to build a majority underground line in just 4 years from announcement.
Here's the difference - both these cities aren't throwing their entire apples in the LRT basket. Save Transit City? I say kill it. The city has spoken and the overwhelming majority wants subways.
And Eglinton Crosstown will run in an underground subway and will have the same size trains as the Montreal and Vancouver. Just that the power supply is overhead and have low floors. And the Eglinton will be capable of running under automatic computer control while underground, like Vancouver and the SRT.
See Eglinton being the first line either converted into a subway or axed.
Mark my words!
Definitely not axed. Converted maybe in a few years when one is needed.
I see it converted into a subway in the next few months. As easy as the conversion is all that is necessary is engineering the stations to have them extended and platforms raised.
Ford wants his subways, McGuinty has already thrown millions at this line and being so easy to convert, he'll do it.
As I said in post # 497, a subway is not needed right now. The amount of people who would use it would fill maybe half a subway.
This is the ridiculous unnecessary spending that Ford said he'd stop. If it isn't needed, don't build it. That is why Transit City is putting an LRT in instead of a subway.
An LRT would cover the numbers while being 1/3 the cost.
This would be wasteful spending though, trust me many, many studies were done, and it (the Eglinton Crosstown line anyway) doesn't need a subway.
The amount of people that would use it is right around the capacity for an LRT line, but would fill maybe half a subway.
Cost estimates for the LRT tunnel and full subway vary by a negligible amount. I'm saying axe the rest of Eglinton and build the funded, tunnel part as a subway. I see that as being politically palatable for both sides.
A 12km midtown subway crossing the middle of Toronto would be seen as a huge win for Ford. That's already significantly longer than the 5.5km Sheppard abortion.