GraphicMatt
Looking forward to a FRESH START for Toronto
Haha, he think she's going to cut the vehicle registration tax and not make up that revenue through a property tax increase?
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All this has to get through Council first. Hopefully there will be some rational thinking happening there. Ford has to realize that what he says doesn't necessarily go.
GraphicMatt
Looking forward to a FRESH START for Toronto
I'm surprised by how quickly he's moved - already he's got the left on council yelling at him. I know people point to the so-called "mushy middle" as potential allies but this doesn't seem like a good way to win them over.
CDL.TO
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Someone needs to remind him that he's not campaigning any longer. Rob, you were elected with a promise to hold taxes to inflation. You don't need to up the ante to a 0% increase of revenue from taxes.
Unfortunately, I think we're stuck with his habit of speaking in campaign-style catchphrases.
Unfortunately, I think we're stuck with his habit of speaking in campaign-style catchphrases.
W. K. Lis
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With Rob Ford's remarks on "the war on the car is over", why is the price of gasoline jumping 4¢ tomorrow, Thursday?
SimonP
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His strategy seems to be "say whatever crazy stuff will most get a rise out of lefties." Perhaps his strategy is that if he can sustain a suburbs vs. downtown war for the next four years, he'll easily cruise to reelection by winning the majority of the city that is suburban.
SlickFranky
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1 day as mayor, and the city's already out $100M in revenue. And is turning away provincial and federal money. And is increasing the bargaining strength of the TTC union. And is returning calls and answering emails via 'leadership'.
To paraphrase Daniel Tosh: "that's why you don't tell a retarded kid he can be anything he wants when he grows up"
To paraphrase Daniel Tosh: "that's why you don't tell a retarded kid he can be anything he wants when he grows up"
toto
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Transit City is dead! Ford has the TTC starting to plan subways. Making Dalton Mcguinty the happiest person in the Province.
urbandreamer
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You know, as someone who works with many Scarborough types who rely on transit, a subway to Scarborough honestly makes the most sense. These poor folks have to spend 2.5-3 hours on transit, first one or two buses to Vic Park stn, then B-D line, then another bus or two north to manufacturing areas near the airport. Totally nuts and easily solved by one or two subway lines along Sheppard and perhaps Eglinton, and maybe even Steeles?
Remember, for every office worker commuting downtown, there's probably five low income earners commuting crosstown to retail and manufacturing jobs. So while taking a streetcar home along Queen or King W/E may be charming to the Bay St office worker, someone who makes much less walking around a huge manufacturing/big box retail facility all day may think otherwise.
Remember, for every office worker commuting downtown, there's probably five low income earners commuting crosstown to retail and manufacturing jobs. So while taking a streetcar home along Queen or King W/E may be charming to the Bay St office worker, someone who makes much less walking around a huge manufacturing/big box retail facility all day may think otherwise.
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GraphicMatt
Looking forward to a FRESH START for Toronto
No one is proposing any kind of express subway across Northern Toronto from Etobicoke to Scarborough, urbandreamer. That sounds more like a GO thing anyway.
urbandreamer
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^I am proposing such routes!
1)Steeles from Markham to Brampton. (via skytrain tech if proven cheaper than subway)
2)Sheppard from SCC (actually further east) to airport. (via skytrain " ")
3)Eglinton from Scarborough to Miss with stops at the airport. (subway)
4)Waterfront/downtown/uptown via GO/CN ROW.
5)Close the U/Y line loop via Maple area.
All lines paid for by corporate stations with shopping etc and private condo developments. Zero height restrictions. Perhaps privately owned lines to avoid union costs.
1)Steeles from Markham to Brampton. (via skytrain tech if proven cheaper than subway)
2)Sheppard from SCC (actually further east) to airport. (via skytrain " ")
3)Eglinton from Scarborough to Miss with stops at the airport. (subway)
4)Waterfront/downtown/uptown via GO/CN ROW.
5)Close the U/Y line loop via Maple area.
All lines paid for by corporate stations with shopping etc and private condo developments. Zero height restrictions. Perhaps privately owned lines to avoid union costs.
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nfitz
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Why would you close the loop? Running a circular line on a very frequent schedule doesn't work. It creates huge scheduling issues. It might work on a line that only runs on a 10-minute or 15-minute frequency ... but not on a service that is as frequent as the YUS line.
jeffreym
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Urbandreamer...
I don't think that anyone is saying that Scarborough in particular shouldn't get rapid transit. Ford's plan gives Scarborough rapid transit.. but pretty much shuts the rest of the city out (vs the network of lines for all parts of the city in Transit City).
When you reference an Eglinton subway you do realize that the scrapping of Transit City would eliminate the Eglinton tunnel right?
The funny thing many of those who want subways and only subways is that they argue that subways will be faster than LRTs. Yes, they will be, but even if we scrap TC, they won't be built for many, many years to come. TC's lines will have more speed and capacity than the bus lines that they are replacing. Really, it's about LRTs vs busses. Tell the people on a bus on any of the funded TC lines that they won't get a higher capacity, higher speed form of transit in the foreseeable future (lines that are guaranteed to be built given city council's continued approval) because we would rather hope and pray that we get a single subway extension to a single line somewhere in the distant future (that has no funding committed).
I'd much rather have a higher mode of transit, regardless of whether it's the fastest one in existence. It'll sure be better than the existing bus services...
I don't think that anyone is saying that Scarborough in particular shouldn't get rapid transit. Ford's plan gives Scarborough rapid transit.. but pretty much shuts the rest of the city out (vs the network of lines for all parts of the city in Transit City).
When you reference an Eglinton subway you do realize that the scrapping of Transit City would eliminate the Eglinton tunnel right?
The funny thing many of those who want subways and only subways is that they argue that subways will be faster than LRTs. Yes, they will be, but even if we scrap TC, they won't be built for many, many years to come. TC's lines will have more speed and capacity than the bus lines that they are replacing. Really, it's about LRTs vs busses. Tell the people on a bus on any of the funded TC lines that they won't get a higher capacity, higher speed form of transit in the foreseeable future (lines that are guaranteed to be built given city council's continued approval) because we would rather hope and pray that we get a single subway extension to a single line somewhere in the distant future (that has no funding committed).
I'd much rather have a higher mode of transit, regardless of whether it's the fastest one in existence. It'll sure be better than the existing bus services...
urbandreamer
recession proof
Buses are faster than streetcars. Look at Roncevalles for example--it's much quicker via bus than streetcar. Streetcars sure look prettier though. In the suburbs, with crazy wide lanes, buses make for safer and quicker transit. When densities increase (no one can seriously argue that transit first condos later really works as the past decade has seen an explosion in condos in the GTA without that much transit improvements--the reality is most condo residents own cars) eventually subways can be built. Perhaps the real issue is zoning--allowing mixed industrial/residential uses--imagine huge warehouse/retail with condos and apartments (public and private) above.
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nfitz
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Oh come on ... this has been discussed before. If the route is carrying a greater capacity that buses in mixed traffic can handle, then buses are slower.
If the capacity of the streetcar isn't necessary, the bus might have an edge. The new streetcars load through 4 doors and are 30 metres long. Buses load through one door and are 12 metres long. You can do the math.
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