W. K. Lis
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Wrong. Streetcars feel like they are slower because they have a smoother ride. It is the single-occupant automobile that get in the way of streetcars that holds everyone up.
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Wrong. Streetcars feel like they are slower because they have a smoother ride. It is the single-occupant automobile that get in the way of streetcars that holds everyone up.
urbandreamer
recession proof
We need a race!
From Keele/Parkside to Victoria Park: Queen streetcar vs Eglinton bus. Which would win?
According to the ttc's route planner, they're practically the same!
So, spend the big bucks for what reason exactly?
Of course, if you want to spend the big bucks properly, here's a good comparison: From Keele and Bloor to Danforth and Victoria Park via subway:
With an extra 15 minutes added to my life, I could prepare a fresh meal daily for dinner for the wife and kids instead of eating frozen processed tv dinners.
Rob Ford-1; TC-0
From Keele/Parkside to Victoria Park: Queen streetcar vs Eglinton bus. Which would win?
According to the ttc's route planner, they're practically the same!
So, spend the big bucks for what reason exactly?
Of course, if you want to spend the big bucks properly, here's a good comparison: From Keele and Bloor to Danforth and Victoria Park via subway:
With an extra 15 minutes added to my life, I could prepare a fresh meal daily for dinner for the wife and kids instead of eating frozen processed tv dinners.
Rob Ford-1; TC-0
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taal
Senior Member
Anyone know if his property tax freeze is for commerical as well ?
Asterix
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If, after all the debate and information presented here and elsewhere, you still view the TC lines as equivalent to the 501, then I really don't know what more can be said to you.
But in case it makes the slightest bit of difference, TC lines will be in their own median ROW with signal priority, completely unlike Queen. Projections for surface running (not including the Eglinton tunnel) are closer in speed to the closely spaced stations on the Bloor line than they are to a bus in mixed traffic.
But if it makes you feel better to slag TC by pointing to the 501, then feel free to wallow in ignorance.
Asterix
Active Member
You've got to be kidding. Have you at all done any looking at what you might be able to charge private developers to build whatever they want on land the city (or the province given many of your proposed routes are out of Toronto) does not currently own and compared it to what it would cost to build your lines?
What possible motivation would a private entity have to pay $500 million more to build immediately on top of a station than they'd pay to build across the street or one block away?
BobBob
Senior Member
Don't worry about details, the private sector is magic!
Admiral Beez
Superstar
I want a Maglev train from STC to Union!
lafard
Active Member
Screw that, I want the maglev from my front door to my work. It should be set up so I don't have to take slow lame old-fashioned elevators on either end either.
Rob Ford will provide maglevs for all! Toronto will be the most magnetically levitated city on earth!
Rob Ford will provide maglevs for all! Toronto will be the most magnetically levitated city on earth!
Automation Gallery
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Dont get it, at one time the majority of the UT forumers were behind Subway systems being built and not second rated LRT lines..now that Rob Ford is in many of them are up in arms against LRT lines being scrapped for Subways. Makes me think that they zigzag betwen liking and hating the people that run Toronto, than what is right for Toronto.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
AG:
What's "right" (if you assume subway = right, that is) for just Scarborough isn't what's right for the City of Toronto as a whole.
AoD
What's "right" (if you assume subway = right, that is) for just Scarborough isn't what's right for the City of Toronto as a whole.
AoD
Anth
Active Member
People haven't changed their minds; UT just isn't the place it used to be as most of the respectable forumers (regardless of their politics) no longer participate in discussions regularly from what I can tell.
CDL.TO
Moderator
Interesting theory. Could you point out any particular forum members who have changed their view on the issue following the change in administration? Or, perhaps, it is more of a case of those who are unhappy with the current course are inevitabily the ones who yell loudest.
GraphicMatt
Looking forward to a FRESH START for Toronto
It's not a simple choice between LRTs and subways - it's about what's plausible versus what's unlikely. It's about seeing transit construction within the next decade.
It's similar to someone asking if you'd like a million dollars today or would rather gamble on potentially getting two million dollars in ten years, assuming a bunch of external factors come together.
That said, what I really want is the heavy rail DRL but I believe delaying suburban light rail lines to look at subway conversion will only push the DRL back further.
Irishmonk
Senior Member
Do you live in Etobicoke? Are your initials R F? Just wondering...
grey
Senior Member
Ideally, yes, everyone wants subways, but we can't afford them at the moment -- not to the extent that the entire city requires. We have an acute gridlock problem that needs to be addressed immediately, and LRT is the fastest and most affordable solution to that problem in the short term. The LRT lines will naturally evolve into subways as needed in the long run, anyway.
Come on, AG. You're better than this. I keep seeing you make posts about "McGuinty's cronies," etc. Do you really want to be associated with these winners?
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