[Admiral Beez]

A Subway train cant make the turns that the SRT trains can. But whatever I too would like to just see this thing built. Its just frustrating when people make it sound like these things are so easily done. Building Lego isn't even that easy.

It's never going to be easy. But I can't accept that a tight turn equals a huge barrier. With the exception of the necessary U-turn at each end of the line, here's about the tightest turn on the SRT...

Can the new subways turn anything close to this? If not, we'll need to make room by buying up some land.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

It's never going to be easy. But I can't accept that a tight turn equals a huge barrier. With the exception of the necessary U-turn at each end of the line, here's about the tightest turn on the SRT...

By "U-turn", I assume that you're talking about the loop at the end of Kennedy station.

To my knowledge, the SRT dosen't use that loop to reverse direction. It was originally designed for our retiring fleet of ALRV streetcars since the SRT was originally designed for streetcar operation. It is far too tight for the ICTS fleet to use.

The looping tail tracks are only used as storage.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

It's never going to be easy. But I can't accept that a tight turn equals a huge barrier. With the exception of the necessary U-turn at each end of the line, here's about the tightest turn on the SRT...

What you suggest is possible (anything is, really), but completely impractical.

The issue is how to go about making that incredibly sharp turn north. To do this, Kennedy would have to be demolished moved a few hundred meters west and the tunnels approaching Kennedy from the west (potentially as far as Birchmount St. Clair) would have to be moved. The tracks coming out of the east end of Kennedy may then be able to curve north towards the Hydro corridor.

Another option would be to keep Kennedy at it’s current location, completely rebuild it and have the Bloor-Danforth tracks to continue at their current bearing for a few hundred meters. Then, the tracks would loop back towards the Hydro corridor.

Both options would be an enormous waste of money and provide a less than ideal alignment. Why you would want this is beyond me.

 

[BurlOak]

It's great that you, like everyone else, can point out where the government has wasted money in the past. I'm sure we can find plenty of examples of money wasted by just about every government, Liberal, Conservative and NDP going all they way back to when Ontario became a province. Unfortunately you've done absolutely nothing to point out money that we haven't spent yet that can be realistically diverted to transit funding. Until that can be detailed the Liberals are the only ones with a plan, whether you like that plan or not.

"Past behaviour is the best indication of future behaviour". "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice (actually probably a couple of dozen) shame on me". Either way, we know this money will be wasted.

Your logic would suggest that all prisoners should be released because that was in the past and, if there is no punishment component, past crime is no indication of future crimes.

 

[ttk77]

^ Please, if you can predict what waste will happen in the future so we can direct it to transit projects in advance, let us know. It will be a great service to the city.

 

[BurlOak]

Can the new subways turn anything close to this? If not, we'll need to make room by buying up some land.

NO.

And it is not a question of land, but of the shutdown required to accomplish it - although 4 years does seem excessive for such a shallow station. Maybe the extra time is related to the separate stations needed for the ECLRT and SRT and the underground loop needed to make sure that the line is not through-run.

Maybe connecting the SRT with ECLRT would also reduced the closure time - something I did not think about before. Yet another advantage of the elevated Eglinton option.

 

[Voltz]

NO.

And it is not a question of land, but of the shutdown required to accomplish it - although 4 years does seem excessive for such a shallow station. Maybe the extra time is related to the separate stations needed for the ECLRT and SRT and the underground loop needed to make sure that the line is not through-run.

Maybe connecting the SRT with ECLRT would also reduced the closure time - something I did not think about before. Yet another advantage of the elevated Eglinton option.

I highly doubt that,

 

[TheTigerMaster]

"Past behaviour is the best indication of future behaviour". "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice (actually probably a couple of dozen) shame on me". Either way, we know this money will be wasted.

Your logic would suggest that all prisoners should be released because that was in the past and, if there is no punishment component, past crime is no indication of future crimes.

In that case, I'll be sure to not vote "Progressive" Conservative again. They'll rip the heart out of transit like they did in the 90s.

 

[Lansdude]

"Past behaviour is the best indication of future behaviour". "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice (actually probably a couple of dozen) shame on me". Either way, we know this money will be wasted.

Your logic would suggest that all prisoners should be released because that was in the past and, if there is no punishment component, past crime is no indication of future crimes.

That's a psychological cliche about individuals. We know that the Liberals are a group of people, and that individuals are constitutive of groups. We must identify the individuals of whose past behaviour we have knowledge. We can then use this to predict at least some of the future behaviour of the relevant group provided that some of those individuals are involved and just as importantly, that the events those behaviours were acted upon have some elements in common with the events we wish to predict the outcomes of.

So, who exactly was involved in the activity we mention and in what capacity? Are they involved in any future activity? In a similar capacity? Who are the most determinative agents?

We can go further and suggest, that since individuality qua behaviour is determined at least partially by social affinities, that activity of the individual is emblematic of the behaviour of the larger group of which it is apart, but this will take more work. If we elect to do this, we must establish what that common approach is and then demonstrate that the relevant individuals in the group share that approach.

Now, we can say broadly that membership in such a group implies certain foundational assumptions. In the next step it must be shown that those assumptions necessarily entail the kind of activity we have identified, or that there is some causation which yields a further state of affairs which then yields the activity we have identified and believe will be replicated.

So I leave it to you burloak to connect the dots and demonstrate why our money is sure to be wasted. Show your work.

 

[Admiral Beez]

In that case, I'll be sure to not vote "Progressive" Conservative again. They'll rip the heart out of transit like they did in the 90s.

Finally some wisdom. Yes you should not, and yes they will.

I'm fine with the Liberals staying on under Winn, but we need assurances that they'll spend their current revenue wisely before they get more "revenue tools".

And if we're dedicating these new revenues for transit, shouldn't we consider having dedicated funds for all govt depts? Isn't that called a budget?

 

[ttk77]

I'm fully on board with requiring that these funds be automatically transferred out of provincial hands and into the management of a non-partisan body like Metrolinx or some other equivalent organization. Not only do we have to make sure that any new tools do not pool funds with the greater provincial budget but we also need to make sure that any transit decisions are made based on sound planning rather than for partisan/political gains. To wait until it's perceived that the government is managing their money well before implementing new revenue tools though is a recipe to never build any more transit.

 

[canmark]

Last night I saw a film called We Always Lie to Strangers at Hot Docs. The film looks at a diverse group of people in Branson, Missouri, most of them working in the wholesome, family entertainment industry. During the Q&A, the filmmakers brought up some of the people featured in the film--including the mayor, Raeanne Presley, who apparently was re-elected with 74% of the vote(!) This prompted someone in the audience to yell out "Would you like to be our mayor?"

 

[W. K. Lis]

It should have been nice to see the Mayor mentioned in the foreign press. Should is the key word. Rob Ford is mentioned in Sun Gazette in Arlington, Virginia and in debates in Arlington, Virginia about transit options. See this link.

Streetcar Question of the Day: Who Is Mayor Ford and How Did He Get Into the Discussion?

Who is Rob Ford, and why has his name cropped up in the debate over the Columbia Pike streetcar?

Answer to the first question: Ford is the somewhat colorful mayor of Toronto, Canada.

Answer to the second: He’s a vigorous opponent of that city’s streetcar network.

“I hate those damn streetcars – they are a pain in the rear end,” Ford said in a newspaper article quoted by County Board member Libby Garvey as board members again tussled over the streetcar proposal at their April 23 meeting.

Acknowledging that the Toronto mayor “is an opponent of their streetcars,” County Board member Chris Zimmerman said the political establishment in that city is supportive of the transit option.

“He is somewhat alone” in his opposition, Zimmerman said.

(Ford’s office acknowledged, but had not yet responded to, a request for comment by deadline.)

With a daily ridership of nearly 300,000 people spread over nearly a dozen lines, Toronto has the largest streetcar systen in North America. The route network dates back 125 years.

Toronto has contracted with Bombardier Transportation to purchase more than 200 new 85-seat streetcars for its network; testing of the first vehicles in the new fleet is under way.

Arlington is looking to build an eight-kilometre streetcar line as a start to a network.

Interesting that our Mayor did not respond for a request for comments from the foreign press. Situation normal, for us in Toronto.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

It should have been nice to see the Mayor mentioned in the foreign press. Should is the key word. Rob Ford is mentioned in Sun Gazette in Arlington, Virginia and in debates in Arlington, Virginia about transit options. See this link.



Arlington is looking to build an eight-kilometre streetcar line as a start to a network.

Interesting that our Mayor did not respond for a request for comments from the foreign press. Situation normal, for us in Toronto.

Glad that Portland is considering saying no to streetcars. Every knows that they're for socialist, commie libtards who want to restrict the movements of automobile owners so the government can exert more control of the population.

 

[Johnny Au]

Glad that Portland is considering saying no to streetcars. Every knows that they're for socialist, commie libtards who want to restrict the movements of automobile owners so the government can exert more control of the population.

Bangkok is a city that works:

Rob Ford's wet dream

Yep, Rob Ford is taking a cue from Thai urban planners, who seem to be the best urban planners in the world (according to him)