TossYourJacket
Senior Member
Putting cyclists level with the sidewalk is also a lot safer. A car can plow through those flexiposts shown in the rendering, but it's a lot harder for a car to mount a wall.
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micheal_can
Senior Member
They find their way down streetcar and LRT tunnels. They will get up there too.
nfitz
Superstar
Everything looks like that Dundas West/Bloor integration is moving ahead. GO has now got the property they need to do it ... after only 47 years.just like Dundas West/Bloor GO, we are never going to have good TTC-GO integration hererepeating mistakes of the past
But in comparison, Dundas West is easy - with only a few metres between the east end of the subway platform and the tunnels at Bloor station. There's no obvious way to do this at Lansdowne - and as far as I know, a good distance.
rbt
Senior Member
Yeah. Lansdowne station is entirely east of Lansdowne Ave. There isn't [Edit: there is one] even an entrance on the west side of lansdowne at the station bus stop.
The number of people connecting between Barrie Line and Bloor Line will be very low as the Downsview connection already covers popular destinations like U of T.
That said, shifting the GO station north 60m to straddle Bloor is fairly easy in the future during a bridge rebuild. A lengthy (~300m) connection to Lansdowne station could be forced by maintaining a public pedestrian easement along "Lane N" (south of Wade) through whatever redevelopment will occur over the next 30 years in this area.
Moving Lansdowne subway station seems like a non-starter.
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robmausser
Senior Member
It would be cool in the future if we connected Dundas West station, Bloor GO, Landsdowne subway station and Landsdowne GO in one huge underground complex though.
Kind of like the PATH, but for these stations.
I could also envision them having an Ontario Line West extension terminate at this underground complex, with a platform between Bloor GO and Lansdowne GO, around Symington Ave.
That way you could get off the Ontario Line station underground and walk to any of these stations.
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facepalming_brooklynite
Active Member
Not true, there is an entrance west of Lansdowne, on Wade Ave: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.659...131.60936&pitch=0&thumbfov=100!7i16384!8i8192
Metrolinx is proposing a walkway from the station to Wade Ave, which leads to the sidewalk from which this entrance can be reached
facepalming_brooklynite
Active Member
It may be true that the number will be low, but don't assume that the line will only be used by people coming from north of the city to go to destinations downtown (like UofT).
What about someone transferring from the Bloor line to the Barrie line to reach destinations such as Caledonia/Eglinton, or Downsview, or Liberty Village? The whole point of "Smart Track" is to use GO lines for rapid travel within the city. Good connections to TTC are vital to achieve that.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
But don't exceed the speed limit going downhill to be able to get up on the other side!
hw621
Senior Member
So is this project still proposed, or under construction? I mean, if there is a project...
robmausser
Senior Member
Very very initial construction in places has begun. Its funded, its happening.
asher__jo
Active Member
The real tragedy is lack of tie-in with TTC bus and streetcar routes with these SmartTrack stations.just like Dundas West/Bloor GO, we are never going to have good TTC-GO integration here
crs1026
Superstar
The last slide mentions a Bell Ringing Cessation Pilot program….. is it coincidence that Councillor Balao has a motion before the upcoming Council meeting pointing to ML’s lack of progress on that front?
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Mr Finish Line
Active Member
I remember them mentioning something about some geotechnical challenges, but it seems ridiculous that there would only be 1 tunnel. Agincourt is getting 2 and it's in the middle of a suburban neighbourhood. I feel like if pushed hard enough the city/ML might consider a second one.
Northern Light
Superstar
Star article this morning; pay walled at time of posting, excoriates City staff for putting out a report for Smart Track to go forward; with numbers they knew were misleading.
www.thestar.com
Excerpts:
"Emails obtained through a freedom of information request show staff inadvertently published projections in an attachment to a January 2021 report that overstated how many riders, residents and jobs Tory’s $1.46-billion SmartTrack program would serve."
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"The manager said the figures appeared to be based on outdated modelling that included the effect of a station at Spadina-Front that had once been considered for the SmartTrack plan, but had been removed months earlier."
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"In the two ensuing city hall debates about the report, including a 40-minute discussion at council during which Toigo and Perttula took questions from councillors, staff never mentioned the SmartTrack projections before them were based on the inclusion of a station that wasn’t in the plan."
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Bunch more there, but the gist is as it seems; staff reports included the effect of a Spadina-Front station when said station had been removed from the proposed program.
This means that statistics such as ridership, daily boardings, and the number of jobs/residents near to stations were over-stated.
Staff knew the report containing a mistake and chose to proceed with the report in erroneous form, and did not verbally correct the record either at Executive or Council.
A report on the mayor’s transit plan mistakenly included inflated numbers. City staff knew but failed to fix them before council voted
Senior staff’s decision to not correct numbers in a SmartTrack report is a serious violation of public service’s duty, say some councillors.
www.thestar.com
Excerpts:
"Emails obtained through a freedom of information request show staff inadvertently published projections in an attachment to a January 2021 report that overstated how many riders, residents and jobs Tory’s $1.46-billion SmartTrack program would serve."
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"The manager said the figures appeared to be based on outdated modelling that included the effect of a station at Spadina-Front that had once been considered for the SmartTrack plan, but had been removed months earlier."
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"In the two ensuing city hall debates about the report, including a 40-minute discussion at council during which Toigo and Perttula took questions from councillors, staff never mentioned the SmartTrack projections before them were based on the inclusion of a station that wasn’t in the plan."
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Bunch more there, but the gist is as it seems; staff reports included the effect of a Spadina-Front station when said station had been removed from the proposed program.
This means that statistics such as ridership, daily boardings, and the number of jobs/residents near to stations were over-stated.
Staff knew the report containing a mistake and chose to proceed with the report in erroneous form, and did not verbally correct the record either at Executive or Council.
allengeorge
Senior Member
I’m shocked. Shocked - I tell you.
Didn’t the same happen during the Scarborough subway debates?
EDIT: Ah yes. Didn’t deliberately mislead, but misstated the construction timeline, putting LRT at a disadvantage:
www.thestar.com
Didn’t the same happen during the Scarborough subway debates?
EDIT: Ah yes. Didn’t deliberately mislead, but misstated the construction timeline, putting LRT at a disadvantage:
TTC didn’t deliberately mislead council with Scarborough transit briefing note: auditor general
City’s auditor general Beverly Romeo-Beehler said she found no evidence TTC CEO Andy Byford and his staff deliberately misled council ahead of a July 2016 vote on the Scarborough subway.
www.thestar.com