I personally haven't commented on the TLS bldg. in quite a while, so the "continuous whining" doesn't apply to me-maybe others but that's up to them to respond. I think Dundas Square is a success, and it's a great addition to the city-if you think of it, in North America, only NYC has a similar area. I do think, though, that the design and building quality of TLS and the Dundas Square concept are independent issues and that just because the urban plaza is succesful, it doesn't take away the fact that TLS is a missed opportunity and Penequity, a "slum developer" (as in "slum landlord").