News   GLOBAL  |  Apr 02, 2020
 8.9K     0 
News   GLOBAL  |  Apr 01, 2020
 40K     0 
News   GLOBAL  |  Apr 01, 2020
 5.1K     0 

I find it hard to believe that a city can't prevent postering, even if it didn't provide an appropriate outlet for posters. What's next, graffiti tagging anywhere can only be outlawed if the city provides pre-determined tagging zones? Postering can, and if it isn't, should be considered graffiti and defacement of public property. Posterers should be thankful for the privilege the city provides with the message boards, and general leeway when it comes to their obnoxious visual pollution.

To expand, I believe that people taping posters all around the city should only be allowed to do so provided that they remove the posters once their relevance has gone. This especially applies to posters advertising events; once the event has passed, the posters should be removed.
 
Last edited:
filthy staples. out in the open like that. have they no shame? ;)

Unfortunately, plastic collars are rendered impractical by a Catch-22: they're built so tough that only a heavy-duty stapler can be used on them, yet the heavy-duty staples project more and are harder to remove--not that any city official or otherwise is going to maintain such collars through regular staple removal. So what you wind up with is a horror vacuii of rusty staples that virtually *nothing* can be posted flat upon with any permanence...
 
Here's a link to 15 unusual and creative bus stops:

busstop17.jpg


busstop16.jpg


busstop05.jpg


busstop03.jpg


busstop13.jpg
 
I think i know how to catch the posters

I agree! I see these guys with their carts putting up signs almost every time I'm walking along Queen St. It would be very easy to have 2 or 3 guys walking around the city and busting these guys. It really degrades the city and adds to the perception of Toronto being an ugly city.


You don't even need a couple of guys going around busting them. They give you a phone number to call!!

They seem surprisingly unconcerned about being busted.

Toronto seems proud of its total lack of charm, elegance or style of which ragged cheap posters and rusting staples are only one of many aspects.





.

3511070320_1dcb0d554c_b.jpg




.
 
I wasn't going to weigh in on this issue because, as some here know, postering just unnerves me to an irrational extent and I can rant on about it for pages on end (which I suspect I'll do here). But I have to say that going to work this morning, and seeing what was an ad-free stretch of King yesterday totally blanketed in ads today for various crap, just brought into focus what I think is the salient issue here, and that's this:

I think Toronto may be unique among most cities - at least in my experience having visited a number here and in the US, and through years of seeing shots of other cities on SSC - in having a complete and utter contempt for its public realm.

I can't think of any other city (and I've been to New York, Washington, Chicago, etc.) that tolerates the daily placing of thousands and thousands of ads *everywhere* along its main streets. I'm not just talking the Queen Street-type of areas, I'm talking about *everywhere*, the financial district, harbourfront areas, residential districts, pretty much everywhere you can think of. It's astonishing to think that there are dozens of companies, with perhaps scores of employees going around the city with the *sole* intent of placing as much street spam as possible wherever they can. I have *never* seen this anywhere else, at least to the degree that I've seen it here. Again, I acknowledge that in, say, areas like the East Village in New York you see this kind of thing. But certainly not to the extent I've seen it here on a commercial basis. Certainly, you don't see the equivalent of "Think in Spanish" or other crap plastered around Wall Street, or other major areas. And even when I stay at the St. Mark's in the East Village, that area has a cleaning crew (Partnerships is what they call them) that sweeps the streets *and* removes ads on a daily basis, at least in some areas. It's not pristine by any means, but compared to Queen or King it's positively antiseptic.

Certainly, walk a few blocks over to NYU, and you don't see ads anywhere, not one, on any pole or mailbox or other street furniture. No hundreds of ads for nightclubs, LSAT preps, Essay Experts, Think in Spanish, Avenue Road psychics, shitty $3 shot bars, and all other manner of spam businesses trying to separate students from their money. It's astonishing, I literally gaped when I saw this. Same at Columbia. It just brought home how shitty and slummy we've allowed most of the downtown to become. I mean, when I first posted these shots of Bloor and Spadina from 1963, I couldn't believe what I was seeing:

fo1567%5Cser648%5Cs0648_fl0139_id0005.jpg


fo1567%5Cser648%5Cs0648_fl0139_id0012.jpg


Even into the mid-1970s, it wasn't *that* bad, yet, although there were traces of this stuff beginning to appear:

fo1257%5Cser1057%5Cf1257_s1057_it8662.jpg


Or take a look again through Mustafa's before and after threads. Aside from the cars and people's dress, the other thing that strikes me is the complete and utter lack of clutter, in the form of postering mainly, in addition to the absence of newspaper boxes (and graffiti), which really shows how much the appearance of the public realm in this city has declined. It just seems that back then, and I'd say even well into the 1980s, there was so much more...restraint...in the public realm, on the part of people who lived here and operated businesses. It clearly was respected more, and the city clearly maintained it to a higher standard.

College and Grace, 1973:
show

http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?82853

King/York, 1990:
show

http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?98224

Queen/Bathurst, 1980:
show

http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?35718

I can go on, but I find it striking how, in past years, various companies just didn't need to place ads everywhere (keeping in mind it was technically illegal, but I suspect the city just removed them anyway, as it should now, but doesn't as much as it should). Really, the only places in the city that look somewhat like this are those BIA areas that have a budget to remove this kind of thing, the Downtown Yonge BIA being the best example. Which is why I support BIAs and what they do, as they at least *try* to maintain a clean, orderly public realm such as the city used to do, and still does if you prod them enough.

What's worse, I find, is the adoption of this "spam" approach by companies operating businesses like junk haulers and plastering residential areas. In my area, they're everywhere, and I wherever I go for my walks, I take down any ad I see. If I walk for an hour, I may take down 50-60 posters, minimum, every few days. The rest I ask the city to take down, because these people just keep coming back. It's ridiculous.

I'll repeat what I've said earlier on this topic, and that is that this city has absolutely no pride, no restraint, no interest in maintaining a public realm that, even if slightly shopworn, at least isn't further assaulted by endless and opportunistic commercialism. It sucks away any dignity that the already-shabby look of the city south of Bloor has, and in my opinion is one the chief reasons, if not *the* chief reason, why the city looks as bad as it does. I'm almost certain that many of the metal poles that are rusted out haven't been painted over or replaced because I can see someone in the city bureaucracy saying, why bother when as soon as we do it, the "think in spanish" people or some nightclub or an essay mill is going to plaster them with ads the second the paint dries or the pole is replaced. I can't blame the city for that, but it doesn't make it right. It only reflects upon the timidity and cowardice of the city to tackle this problem.

Look at those old photos again. The poles along that stretch of College, for example, are in some cases fifty years old, and things looked, at a minimum, more dignified and clutter-free, if not exactly cutting edge. But add thousands upon thousands of obnoxious, ratty, peeling and fading ads slapped up everywhere, and what was shopworn, if tidy, descends into utter squalor and neglect.

But again, this seems to be what so many people in this city want. And I think this is so ingrained now that streetscapes of tired, postered-over, rusted-out, scratched-out light poles and street furniture whose function seems to be chiefly as a place to put up ads for nightclubs, language schools, essay mills, etc don't matter to people anymore, really, because we're so inured to seeing these ads glued up everywhere that I don't think many people living in this city now remember a time when you didn't see an ad put up somewhere every few feet. The shock of seeing those old pictures without these ads everywhere is like watching a hockey game circa 1980, when the boards and ice surfaces were clean and free of sales pitches. It's depressing, but what can you do? Gotta protect "public space", right? Is it any wonder that graffiti and littering have followed in lock-step with this? It’s as though there’s a generation that’s come of age over the past 15 years or so that just seems determined to bring the down the appearance of the city as much as possible.

So what other conclusion *can* I draw other than the people who run this city, and a large chunk of the people who live in it (at least downtown), just don't give a shit? I think now it seems that Toronto is now in a permanent state of semi-squalor, with some attractive buildings here and there operating as tiny islands of dignity and aesthetic aspiration in a sea of messy clutter and spam. So add this to an already pervasive air of neglect and there you are. And everyone who goes to a nightclub, or patronizes a business that advertises in this way is part of the problem. Sounds harsh, but there you have it. I do what I can to fend off this trash from my area, but clearly I’m a majority of one on this issue.

And the imbecilic Spacing crowd who defends and promotes postering don't realize that the very thing they're trying to prevent (the commercialization of the public realm) is exactly what's coming about *because* of this practice. So now we have what we have, a city wallpapered with crap, due to misplaced tolerance, indifference, greed, cowardice, and a perverse sense of selfish self-entitlement.

Feh, postering rant over.
 
I find the visual screaming match of signage, supergraphics, multi-coloured stucco, gaudy paint finishes, commissioned graffiti "art", and advertising plastering storefronts all over the city - from tip to toe, from roofline to pavement - every bit as offensive as the postering. An underlying fear of unadorned space informs how the public realm is being debased at all levels.

In addition to showing the effects of postering, Mustapha's Then and Now images contrast this sad decline very well - one is only too aware that, beneath the storefronts that commerce has been allowed to debase so garishly, there are many, many perfectly charming Victorian and Edwardian ( and probably some earlier Georgian ) buildings that deserve to be seen.
 
Great post.
It seems to me that this could be opportunity to create a dozen or so decent paying City jobs to those who would be fully trained and deputized to give out tickets to those found postering. Further, levy hefty fines against the people or businesses when materials are found illegally posted - all the job of the people hired to do this. When not on the street or in court, these same people could additionally be "eye's on the street" enforcing/fining those who ride their bikes on the sidewalks, people who don't pick up after their dogs etc.
Maybe it sounds a little too much like a police state but I think it's necessary to enforce City bylaws and to send a strong message that the City - and it's residents - won't tolerate this crap anymore.
 
being in the internet age, who the hell pays attention to posters anymore? you'd think craigslist would have put an end to all this.
 
In addition to showing the effects of postering, Mustapha's Then and Now images contrast this sad decline very well - one is only too aware that, beneath the storefronts that commerce has been allowed to debase so garishly, there are many, many perfectly charming Victorian and Edwardian ( and probably some earlier Georgian ) buildings that deserve to be seen.

Or even commonplace interwar/postwar taxpayers, like on Yonge in North Toronto--all the sadder because this is a thoroughly bourgeois upper-middle-white zone that's supposedly "tasteful" in outlook...
 
What I find really strange about postering in Toronto is that some of the organizations advertising through this method are Toronto's prominent cultural institutions, such as the Toronto Symphony Orchestra and the Canadian Opera Company.

I'd expect institutions like these to carry out "classier" marketing campaigns than plastering posters of their upcoming productions around places like Bathurst and Queen.
 
The IllegalSigns people should be focused on this, not some well designed high budget 3D signs.

Fining doesn't seem to deter the companies that poster the city. Instant removal will. It's like graffiti. If a kid spends several hours drawing something on a wall only to come back a couple of days later and it's painted over, it's extremely disheartening. They'll give up.

On the other hand, if graffiti is allowed to remain in place, it's a magnet for more graffiti.

The same could be said of posters. A surface with a few posters will attract a compounding amount of posters until the original surface is completely covered.

What could help end this on Queen St. would be indeed the creation of BIA's. Each BIA could buy a power washer and hire a guy to go down Queen St. 5 days a week, 8 hours a day removing posters.

Those postering will have their money literally washed down the gutter and will resort to other methods (such as legal advertising in print media or online).
 
I just remembered. There's this young guy who walks along Queen St. picking up litter... for free. He has a sign on his back informing those interested what he's doing and accepts donations.

He never hassles you and is very thankful if you give him a tip.

I'm not sure if he's mentally ill (extreme form of OCD) or if cleaning the city is his life goal... but he doesn't seem to do anything else and very quickly goes up and down the street sharply focused on picking up litter.

If I were wealthy, I'd give this kid a job of power washing away ads and shame the city by writing up a story and offering it to the major papers: "Private Citizen Takes It Upon Himself to Clean City".
 
I just remembered. There's this young guy who walks along Queen St. picking up litter... for free. He has a sign on his back informing those interested what he's doing and accepts donations.

He never hassles you and is very thankful if you give him a tip.

I'm not sure if he's mentally ill (extreme form of OCD) or if cleaning the city is his life goal... but he doesn't seem to do anything else and very quickly goes up and down the street sharply focused on picking up litter.

If I were wealthy, I'd give this kid a job of power washing away ads and shame the city by writing up a story and offering it to the major papers: "Private Citizen Takes It Upon Himself to Clean City".

That reminds me, I've seen this in my neighbourhood too. I'm not sure if it's one guy or two - I think it's two guys. I know I see one fellow ripping down posters and then throwing them into his buggy. He comes prepared with screwdrivers for staples and a scraper for smoother surfaces. Paper/glue remnants are often left behind but he seems intent on not leaving anything that is readable.
 
^^ Woo hoo! Way to go! We need some guys doing that on Queen St. I'd love to have the time to follow closely behind the guys that are postering. What they put up, I'd tear down.

Another idea would be to get prints of art and cover up the ads...Wherever there's an ad, paste over the art, nothing with words... Hey, I would totally do that! Does anybody know where I can find a colour photocopier for cheap? :eek:
 

Back
Top