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This is bizzare. The TTC seems damned and determined to make sure that transit in Toronto require as many transfers as humanly possible.
If this isn't an admission that Eglinton TC using at grade will have capacity problems I don't know what is. Only in Toronto would they spend $6 billion on a line that they are already having to tinker with as it won't have the required capacity. This is getting more farcical as they days go by.
So if they are not going to interline the routes then what exactly is the reason for trashing the SRT to begin with? The SkyTrain is very reliable, comfortable, safe, and fast even in winter {and yes Vancouver does get snow} and it doesn't even have the heating mechanisms. The reason the SRT is unreliable and uncomfortable has nothing to do with the technology and everything to do with the TTC.
 
There are a whole bunch of surface corridors where you have to change buses at a subway station because the two routes are run on different frequencies and I have never once heard anyone claim that this arrangement is the "height of stupidity". But ask someone to step out of an LRT or subway train at a major transfer point and suddenly the entire network is doomed? Give me a break.

Not everyone can get a one seat ride. It's just impossible to plan like that and have an efficient network. Nobody likes transfers, but the ones planned at Don Mills and Kennedy are going to be around as painless as you can get.
 
Thoughtless Miscreant said:
There are a whole bunch of surface corridors where you have to change buses at a subway station because the two routes are run on different frequencies and I have never once heard anyone claim that this arrangement is the "height of stupidity". But ask someone to step out of an LRT or subway train at a major transfer point and suddenly the entire network is doomed? Give me a break.

Not everyone can get a one seat ride. It's just impossible to plan like that and have an efficient network. Nobody likes transfers, but the ones planned at Don Mills and Kennedy are going to be around as painless as you can get.
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To be fair, I think splitting routes at subway stations is stupid too. Eglinton East and West should be 1 route, or at least have every 2nd bus continue through. If keeping to the schedule is a problem, put in a 5 min layover at Eglinton Stn to act as a buffer.
 
gweed123 said:
If keeping to the schedule is a problem, put in a 5 min layover at Eglinton Stn to act as a buffer.
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With frequencies on Eglinton West of less than 2 minutes? Then you might as well get off the bus laying-over for 5 minutes, and go get on the one in front of it. Kind of defeats the point.

The shorter the bus route, the easier it is to keep it on schedule. This is why the short routes that run from the BD down to Queen/The Lake, etc. are so effective and popular.
 
nfitz said:
With frequencies on Eglinton West of less than 2 minutes? Then you might as well get off the bus laying-over for 5 minutes, and go get on the one in front of it. Kind of defeats the point.

The shorter the bus route, the easier it is to keep it on schedule. This is why the short routes that run from the BD down to Queen/The Lake, etc. are so effective and popular.
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During rush hour it isn't an issue, but I've waited 15 mins off peak to cross Yonge by bus, which is completely ridiculous.
 
gweed123 said:
During rush hour it isn't an issue, but I've waited 15 mins off peak to cross Yonge by bus, which is completely ridiculous.
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Late evening? Weekend?

Not sure what your supposed to do. Eglinton must be one of the longer routes now, with an almost 2-hour time to do a circuit now at peak in both east and West. How long is too long. Is a 2-hour drive non-stop without even a chance to stand-up reasonable?

I suppose the LRT is the answer for this route, but it really only moves the transfer point to Kennedy (and to Jane until Phase 2 is built).
 
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And for those of you complaining about the eglinton line not connecting to the SRT, the Scarborough Malvern Line still has to be built. It can handle the loads easier and will make eglinton a through route for the entire road right up morning side and then connect with the Sheppard LRT and UT Scarborough.
 
I agree that Eglinton should be one route. Yeah, sure, longer routes might be harder to keep on schedule. But no one really cares about a schedule if the buses are frequent.
 
denfromoakvillemilton said:
And for those of you complaining about the eglinton line not connecting to the SRT, the Scarborough Malvern Line still has to be built. It can handle the loads easier and will make eglinton a through route for the entire road right up morning side and then connect with the Sheppard LRT and UT Scarborough.
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The last design published for Kennedy that included the Scarborough Malvern Line, didn't even have a non-revenue connection between the two Eglinton LRT services.
 
Coruscanti Cognoscente said:
I agree that Eglinton should be one route. Yeah, sure, longer routes might be harder to keep on schedule. But no one really cares about a schedule if the buses are frequent.
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Hopefully it makes the Sheppard LRT a little easier to swallow for you. An Eglinton connection from the Airport to UTS to Sheppard Morningside will solve a lot of problems.

nfitz said:
The last design published for Kennedy that included the Scarborough Malvern Line, didn't even have a non-revenue connection between the two Eglinton LRT services.
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Things can change.
 
nfitz said:
Late evening? Weekend?

Not sure what your supposed to do. Eglinton must be one of the longer routes now, with an almost 2-hour time to do a circuit now at peak in both east and West. How long is too long. Is a 2-hour drive non-stop without even a chance to stand-up reasonable?

I suppose the LRT is the answer for this route, but it really only moves the transfer point to Kennedy (and to Jane until Phase 2 is built).
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Mid-afternoon, around 2pm. I was starting around Eglinton and Don Mills and meeting someone at Yorkdale, so I needed to go over to the Spadina line and then up. If I would have known I would have been standing on the bus platform waiting for the Eg West bus, I would have just subwayed down to Bloor, across, and back up.

As for the two hours non-stop, bus drivers can swap out when they reach Eglinton, or even just take a 5 min break when they reach Eglinton Stn. Build enough buffer time into the schedule for a reasonable break. I don't mind waiting for a bit at Eglinton Stn, as long as I'm staying on the same bus. Getting off one bus and having to wait to get on another bus to keep going the same direction in my mind is pretty ridiculous.

Coruscanti Cognoscente said:
I agree that Eglinton should be one route. Yeah, sure, longer routes might be harder to keep on schedule. But no one really cares about a schedule if the buses are frequent.
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Soon nearly everyone will be using real-time data anyway instead of the posted schedules, so posted schedules will be redundant. As long as the buses are kept a near equal distance apart from each other, and they're relatively frequent, the posted time doesn't matter.
 
gweed123 said:
Soon nearly everyone will be using real-time data anyway instead of the posted schedules, so posted schedules will be redundant. As long as the buses are kept a near equal distance apart from each other, and they're relatively frequent, the posted time doesn't matter.
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On frequent routes, sure. But when it only comes every 20 minutes or 30 minutes, the printed schedule (and TTC sticking to it), is very useful.
 
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