crs1026
Superstar
Hopefully there is a solar cell somewhere. You don't have to raise the temperature that many degrees. They needn't be turned on all winter. And, salt free means much longer concrete life. It's not that crazy.
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Hopefully there is a solar cell somewhere. You don't have to raise the temperature that many degrees. They needn't be turned on all winter. And, salt free means much longer concrete life. It's not that crazy.
- Paul
44 North
Senior Member
I'm actually surprised Crosstown platforms won't have this, it would make sense. Then again I'm also surprised the wall and canopy aren't extending the full length of the platform. Ditto for the apparent lack of an art component.
I totally get the function vs aesthetics debate, but I think the "shelters" on Eglinton are too little for a rapid transit line. Just because the shelters on Spadina and St. Clair are sub-par doesn't mean the Eglinton should be too, all in the name of "equity". In order to truly be a shelter, it needs to have covering on at least 4 of the 5 sides (roof included). By the looks of those Eglinton shelters, they're two sides, at best.
Even just a row of shelters like at the Mohawk College Transit Terminal would be an improvement over what is being proposed. They also have heat lamps in them that are push button activated, and stay on for a period of 5 minutes when pushed. On a $6.6 billion project, springing for a few of those is hardly breaking the bank.
As for the weather and elements part of it, in my opinion it's not the cold that matters, it's the rain, wind, and blowing snow. I'm fine with being bundled up when it's -20C outside, I just don't want to have wind whipping at my face or snow blowing in my face while I'm waiting. Just give me something to stand behind that blocks most of that from most directions, and I'll be happy.
Even just a row of shelters like at the Mohawk College Transit Terminal would be an improvement over what is being proposed. They also have heat lamps in them that are push button activated, and stay on for a period of 5 minutes when pushed. On a $6.6 billion project, springing for a few of those is hardly breaking the bank.
As for the weather and elements part of it, in my opinion it's not the cold that matters, it's the rain, wind, and blowing snow. I'm fine with being bundled up when it's -20C outside, I just don't want to have wind whipping at my face or snow blowing in my face while I'm waiting. Just give me something to stand behind that blocks most of that from most directions, and I'll be happy.
M II A II R II K
Senior Member
I like the South American BRT enclosed shelters where it makes you pay to get on, would also eliminate the need for POP, but with no collector it tap on thing would have to be able to read valid transfers.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
cplchanb
Senior Member
although it sounds all fine and dandy, in reality geothermal is prohibitively expensive for a project of this scope. not to mention its not even guaranteed that it will be possible to engineer that for the stations. best solution would be to throw some electric heaters inside the shelters like they have at rhc and use hydronic heating for the terminuses
Palma
Senior Member
I don;t see how shelters on St Clair are below par. They do have glass diving the shelter from cars plus a bench to sit on and plants. I really think the seating could have been down away with. St Clair is too narrow and results in the roadway consistently curving.I totally get the function vs aesthetics debate, but I think the "shelters" on Eglinton are too little for a rapid transit line. Just because the shelters on Spadina and St. Clair are sub-par doesn't mean the Eglinton should be too, all in the name of "equity". In order to truly be a shelter, it needs to have covering on at least 4 of the 5 sides (roof included). By the looks of those Eglinton shelters, they're two sides, at best.
As for the weather and elements part of it, in my opinion it's not the cold that matters, it's the rain, wind, and blowing snow. I'm fine with being bundled up when it's -20C outside, I just don't want to have wind whipping at my face or snow blowing in my face while I'm waiting. Just give me something to stand behind that blocks most of that from most directions, and I'll be happy.
If some of the stops on Crosstown had been eliminated as previously discussed on this forum perhaps there would have been money for the heating plus more enclosed shelters. Perhaps this should have been a consideration when deciding if all the stops were necessary
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Steve X
Senior Member
Serious how much warmth would we get from heated concrete floors? The only thing it prevents is ice and snow buildups from puddles. It would be nice that they don't have to shovel snow. You're not going to feel much unless you walk around barefoot. It's not really relevant to heat shelters anyways. If the heat is very strong, I'm more worried that concrete would crack pretty quickly.
If they ran water pipes through an enclosed shelter, they would be a different story. Still, glass shelter and heat don't mix. It's not going to be cozy. The average wait for a train is 3 to 6 minutes, not 15 to 30 minutes. The crosstown is suppose to be very frequent, so it's not as important as VIVA or Zum where headways are much much wider. It's just a nice thing to have.
They would just result in more people walking longer in the cold. The faster you get to a platform, the faster you'll on the train and be warm. That 15-20 min parallel bus service that accompanies wider stops ain't gonna help. Just saying 1km wide stops aren't better.
CodeMonkey
Active Member
I totally get the function vs aesthetics debate, but I think the "shelters" on Eglinton are too little for a rapid transit line. Just because the shelters on Spadina and St. Clair are sub-par doesn't mean the Eglinton should be too, all in the name of "equity". In order to truly be a shelter, it needs to have covering on at least 4 of the 5 sides (roof included). By the looks of those Eglinton shelters, they're two sides, at best.
Even just a row of shelters like at the Mohawk College Transit Terminal would be an improvement over what is being proposed. They also have heat lamps in them that are push button activated, and stay on for a period of 5 minutes when pushed. On a $6.6 billion project, springing for a few of those is hardly breaking the bank.
As for the weather and elements part of it, in my opinion it's not the cold that matters, it's the rain, wind, and blowing snow. I'm fine with being bundled up when it's -20C outside, I just don't want to have wind whipping at my face or snow blowing in my face while I'm waiting. Just give me something to stand behind that blocks most of that from most directions, and I'll be happy.
It's because that's where the cost savings of the LRT is coming from, no tunnels where needed and simple bus style shelters instead of multi-level stations.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
Note the outdoor stations on the Chicago L. Built on the cheap.
Look at the station design as you view past them.
aquateam
Active Member
allabootmatt
Senior Member
I recall seeing enclosed waiting areas on some El platforms in Chicago, with electric heating elements overhead. I've only ever visited in summer so haven't had chance to test them, but seems like a sensible and relatively low-cost concession to their climate (and ours). This isn't rocket science.
At the other extreme, in Dubai they have fully-enclosed, air-conditioned bus shelters. Not that you see anyone using them.
At the other extreme, in Dubai they have fully-enclosed, air-conditioned bus shelters. Not that you see anyone using them.
Cobra
Senior Member
What's your point? Just because Chicago have simple stops, we should take comfort with building mediocrity? By the way, they have heat lamps for cold weather, I doubt those Crosstown stops even have them
amnesiajune
Senior Member
Markham and Vaughan have them at all the Viva Rapidway stations. It works really well in the winter, but in the summer those enclosed shelters (luckily only a part of the stations) get scorching hot.
robmausser
Senior Member
The Chicago L has heaters at most of their outdoor stops.
Something we should definitely push for on the Crosstown.