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M II A II R II K
Senior Member
At least the St Clair signage is a lot bigger.
Streety McCarface
Senior Member
As someone who has frequently used the heat lamps on iON in waterloo, they don't do jack ****. You're better off with higher frequency trains and just biting the bullet of waiting in the cold for 2-3 minutes.
ADRM
Senior Member
The ones in Chicago work great. It’s insane that we don’t have either bigger, more protected waiting areas or heat lamps, and it is flat untrue that such plans would be prohibitively expensive.
A lot of the crap outcomes we see in urban design, transportation planning, and public realm have more to do with a lack of vision, perspective, or creativity than it does any particularly insurmountable reason.
crs1026
Superstar
My take is that ML relies on the kind of designers who get articles in high end trade magazines rather than on the kind of designers who have experience in operations and maintenance. It’s more important to win a design award than to have happy customers and growing ridership.
What is the design purpose of the shelters....do we intend to provide protection to people while they wait for their lrt? Or are they to just look nice and give visual cues from a distance about where the stops are?
If the former, then the question is, how many people will accumulate at a stop in the duration of typical headways? Are we proposing to shelter them all? Or do we give priority to some -say wheelchairs and walker users- but it’s ok for others to stand in the pouring rain? Do we want all boarding customers clustered in that one short stretch of the platform? Is thatok in terms of boarding times and impact on trip velocity?
If the answer is, meh, this is Canada, people can tough it out....fine, but then why have a token shelter at all?
- Paul
mdu
Active Member
The YRT may be chronically underfunded in terms of opex, but the shelters on the Viva BRTs are much better than these. Longer canopy, heated waiting area, and actually look fairly stylish.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
toronto647
Active Member
General Question for anyone to answer - Do you think the Crosstown LRT will open by December 2022. If Yes Why? If no, Why and When do you think so?
H4F33Z
Active Member
Yeah, The project was delayed so I think that is more than enough time. Yonge and Cedervale are problem areas.
crs1026
Superstar
^I’m not sure more people is the answer. The people who fit out the tunnels and systems are not the same trades as the people who are dealing with finishing the excavating, form and rebar work, and concrete pours. The question is, when will those fit-out trades have adequate access to the tunnels and stations to do the next phase of the work. Until we have all station entrances complete and secure, only so much can get done inside. Many stations are still at the “playing with dirt” stage so there are vulnerabilities beyond Cedarvale and Eglinton-Yonge.
- Paul
- Paul
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Once they get the "important" or critical construction over with, they can shift the finishing crews from the completed stations.
From link.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
I think late 2022/early 2023 is a realistic timeline for completion.
From my observations, subway projects typically have underground station structures completed about two years prior to revenue service, to allow time for the installation of elevators, escalators, HVAC and other systems installation. If by the end of the year, the structures for Cedervale and Yonge and all the other stations aren't completed, I'd say the December 2021 deadline is at risk.
mdu
Active Member
See, the heated shelters help with the pain of 20 minute headways on Viva.Good! You'll be waiting 30 minutes!
Juan_Lennon416
Senior Member
Those shelters will be tagged in no time. Probably with the slogan: "A Place To Grow"
toronto647
Active Member
In your opinion of course... Would it be fair to say 100% ready by December 2023 forsure?