drum118
Superstar
I rode REM on opening weekend and not impress with it. Have seen it being built the last few years in the boondocks' and not impress sorry to say.
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nfitz
Superstar
I've never seen anyone fall and be knocked unconscious when a streetcar did a sudden lane change.
The Ontario Line is much more urban, more comparable to existing Toronto and Montreal subway lines. At least the first phase. There's certainly a lot more planned, potentially a loop around Toronto up to the 407 and then west to Pearson and back downtown. With branches to Oshawa and Oakville. That may be bigger than REM, though I don't know what future phases are envisioned there. Equipment might be similar, but not the network and operations.
Much of REM is more comparable to the 5 (maybe 6 if Milton gets funded) GO rail lines they are upgrading to electrified frequent service with more urban stations. Lakeshore GO will be a very different beast with trains every 4 or 5 minutes.
I'm not sure the REM is really that comparable to Ontario Line. It's just that we'll integrated into the urban structure, other than Central, McGill, and the Blue Line interchanges.
The Ontario Line is much more urban, more comparable to existing Toronto and Montreal subway lines. At least the first phase. There's certainly a lot more planned, potentially a loop around Toronto up to the 407 and then west to Pearson and back downtown. With branches to Oshawa and Oakville. That may be bigger than REM, though I don't know what future phases are envisioned there. Equipment might be similar, but not the network and operations.
Much of REM is more comparable to the 5 (maybe 6 if Milton gets funded) GO rail lines they are upgrading to electrified frequent service with more urban stations. Lakeshore GO will be a very different beast with trains every 4 or 5 minutes.
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canucks2030
New Member
I compare it to Ontario Line because the frequency will be approx the same, driver less, screen door, same kind of trains (somewhat) acting like a metro etc. GO not frequent enough at least not for a long time. Like Ontario Line, REM will connect areas that were challenging to access in the city. REM and Ontario line are much closer peoples realize. However Ontario Line smaller in scope with no future phases confirmed. I consider GO Unique in Canada with no comparator. It’s trully a Toronto gem. To go back with Eglinton I fear the non grade separated portion will hold back the line. But it’s definitely a project we will have to wait and see. If one project can prove me wrong it’s this one. Cannot wait to test it.
afransen
Senior Member
REM is far lower capacity, too. It's more of a regional service than a true subway/metro like Ontario Line. It's an interesting model for Toronto to consider for certain applications.
dowlingm
Senior Member
Irrespective of operator preference, 60km/h is the maximum permitted speed on the Eglinton surface section, by direction of city council.
Same for Finch West: https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2021/ie/bgrd/backgroundfile-168557.pdf
I do wonder how well LFLRVs could sustain all day every day 80km/h running/accelerating/braking over an entire alignment before wear and tear became an issue.
nfitz
Superstar
How is the wear and tear on those cars that have been operating at 70 km/hr for a few years now?
nfitz
Superstar
Ontario Line 3 is a Metro, as they call them in some other places. Even the official REM website brands REM as LRT rather than Subway. Though I'm not sure I agree with that.
Not the entire network - but they should have 85 km of the Lakeshore line up before the Ontario Line opens. But it's true that the other 116 km of Lakeshore isn't happening anytime soon. And it's not clear what timeframe for frequent service is on 125 km for the 3 electrified lines.
I'm not sure why the Ontario Line is not comparable, 7 years from opening, but GO Lakeshore isn't.
It's a 16-km subway line - at least for now. If much of the more suburban 120-km of extension get's built, then maybe it would compare to the REM. But only one (well three) of the 50+ proposed projects in the 25-year plan.
If you count Line 3 as REM-like, then we are looking at 225 km of frequent service that's under construction. With at least another 170 km to come in the 2040s or 2050s (hopefully).
dowlingm
Senior Member
Can you be specific? I assume you don’t mean Ottawa given how poorly they have performed in service to date.
drum118
Superstar
The REM is not an LRT though it is call one, but a light metro. OL is a full metro and the same system that is in Copenhagen that we rode in 2022. The stations are far apart and provide the speed that some want for an RT line.
This is the real speed of Copenhagen line outside to give s sense to the speed after leaving the airport. If the seating is the same for OL as this line, great rail fan seats.
This is the real speed of Copenhagen line outside to give s sense to the speed after leaving the airport. If the seating is the same for OL as this line, great rail fan seats.
nfitz
Superstar
Ottawa uses a different type of car as this line.
As we've discussed frequently, Waterloo uses the same cars, and they've been in service there for years.
just east of the creek
Senior Member
Drum is spot on. Transit Priority in Toronto is the single largest issue, and if implemented, would save time on all at grade lines, regardless of whether the top speed exceeds 60 kmh or not.
allengeorge
Senior Member
It’s wild to me that it’s not - and that no one at City Hall seems to care.
Incredibly disappointing from this Mayor and Council.
Incredibly disappointing from this Mayor and Council.
zang
Senior Member
I wouldn’t criticize Chow on this. She’s always been pro transit. It's a relatively low cost upgrade for the entire system, and I think she’ll get to it eventually. It’ll be the regular conservative suburban councillors who’ll find a way to put the kibosh on it.
cplchanb
Senior Member
yea i dont think she even knows about this issue. she only came in last year and all these operation speeds were determined long before tory stepped down.
what we need to do is raise awareness to her office so that her staff can bring it up to her.
zang
Senior Member
I do think she’s probably very hands-on with transit, cycling and pedestrian needs. If anything, I think she’s just being incrementalist and diplomatic about her goals and not pushing everything at once.
Under her watch, we have seen (minor) priority improvements to the 504. I think full system priority is a much bigger and harder ask, and certainly a stark wake-up for drivers.