Panontario
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The plan is to have a shared bicycle/pedestrian path west of Bay street.
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drum118
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Based on my photo, how do you plan on doing that for the Simcoe area?? Go there in person and try to figure how you can fit both in the same narrow space.
Plans can be change anytime.
Panontario
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I understand your point. But I think there is enough space for a shared pedestrian/bicycle path. It will be narrow, but still better than what it was before. And I don't need to go there. I live there, and see it every day
The MGT has been great, and really popular, and a place where commuting cyclists often clash with slower moving touring cyclists and pedestrians. Prior to the ramp coming down, there were already cyclists using the beat up old asphalt path parallel to Lake Shore and Harbour to avoid the crowds along the MGT. The City has recognized the need to put a cycle track on Lake Shore/Harbour as an alternative, and I am 99% certain that Drum is wrong: there is enough width beside the parking garage for both a sidewalk and cycle track: the two will share a 3-and-a-half to 4 metre wide corridor up against the garage.
I've copied Drum's two most relevant photos below.
You can easily see in the first one where the 4 metres can be found: at the middle bottom of the shot, and then continuing up, you have the future curb for the street, and the street to the north of that. The area—pretty much what's in shadow—to the south of the curb is the 4 metre right of way where the sidewalk and cycle track will run. Those pylons are each about a metre tall: knock'em over, and you can imagine the 4 metres there pretty easily.
It's harder to see in this image at the west end of the garage, but you've got to mentally remove the fence. There's about 2 metres to the south of it, and about a metre-and-a-half to the north of it. It's a bit more squished here, but it will still work.
The pillar can be seen in the image above. They're putting one of the three new lanes to the north of it, and the other two to the south. With an earlier merge with Lake Shore traffic, drivers wanting to head north on York will be directed into that leftmost lane so they can make it into the left turn lane for York. The southern two lanes will be signed for Bay and Yonge.
The plans were drawn up by MMM Group (now part of WSP). They know what they're doing.
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Panontario
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DB9
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It's unfortunate the made the MGT so narrow. They should had took a page from Vancouver's seawall and make it wide enough for multi-users.
Michael62
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The MGT has been great, and really popular, and a place where commuting cyclists often clash with slower moving touring cyclists and pedestrians. Prior to the ramp coming down, there were already cyclists using the beat up old asphalt path parallel to Lake Shore and Harbour to avoid the crowds along the MGT. The City has recognized the need to put a cycle track on Lake Shore/Harbour as an alternative, and I am 99% certain that Drum is wrong: there is enough width beside the parking garage for both a sidewalk and cycle track: the two will share a 3-and-a-half to 4 metre wide corridor up against the garage.
I've copied Drum's two most relevant photos below.
You can easily see in the first one where the 4 metres can be found: at the middle bottom of the shot, and then continuing up, you have the future curb for the street, and the street to the north of that. The area—pretty much what's in shadow—to the south of the curb is the 4 metre right of way where the sidewalk and cycle track will run. Those pylons are each about a metre tall: knock'em over, and you can imagine the 4 metres there pretty easily.
It's harder to see in this image at the west end of the garage, but you've got to mentally remove the fence. There's about 2 metres to the south of it, and about a metre-and-a-half to the north of it. It's a bit more squished here, but it will still work.
The pillar can be seen in the image above. They're putting one of the three new lanes to the north of it, and the other two to the south. With an earlier merge with Lake Shore traffic, drivers wanting to head north on York will be directed into that leftmost lane so they can make it into the left turn lane for York. The southern two lanes will be signed for Bay and Yonge.
The plans were drawn up by MMM Group (now part of WSP). They know what they're doing.
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Drum is wrong, there is enough space for a shared bicycle/pedestrian path between the parking garage and Simcoe St. Picture and opinions are often incorrect when one individual is creative/manipulative with a description of what is actually occurring in that area. Looking at the actual plans will always trump an inappropriate critic of what is or will be actual outcome.
innsertnamehere
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you can clearly see it in this render:
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MetroMan
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The pillar can be seen in the image above. They're putting one of the three new lanes to the north of it, and the other two to the south. With an earlier merge with Lake Shore traffic, drivers wanting to head north on York will be directed into that leftmost lane so they can make it into the left turn lane for York. The southern two lanes will be signed for Bay and Yonge.
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Had the now unnecessary pillar been moved, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. It would have allowed the road to be moved several metres north freeing up plenty of space for both a bike path and a wide sidewalk.
That pillar and beam was only there to support the now removed overpass. It should have been replaced with a standard bent like the ones that can seen ahead of it.
jje1000
Senior Member
There's a road running underneath that area, I doubt a standard bent could fit in.
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
I'm sorry but as a pedestrian I find this ridiculous to have pedestrians and cyclists sahre the area. Sidwalks are for pedstrians only the shopuld not be shred with cyclists. If they want to ride in the area they should use the road.you can clearly see it in this render:
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DB9
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Biking on the tail end of a highway off ramp is a recipe for disaster.
It's the pedestrian shown walking on the bike trail in that rendering who represent what's wrong in that image, not the other way 'round. In the end, that's an area where there will be very few pedestrians: there's just about nothing to attract them to the blank wall of the garage. That area will be a cycle highway, and it should work just fine. Suggesting that cyclists should be on the round there is stupidity.
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EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
Why do we have to keep catering to people that want to ride bikes everywhere. We give them marked parts of roads but they still ride on the sidewalk. We give them a shared path and they ride like maniacs on it and want to ignore lights. They ignore crosswalk signals and give you a dirty look well they ring there bell at you. They have no respect for the pedestrians.