Here's the real question RE: Tory desperation manifest:

At what point does he, let alone everyone else, realize the absolute futility of his approach? Here's a man who visited London as a guest of their Mayor to tour the Crossrail project, and then come back to Toronto to claim that (gist) "SmartTrack is Toronto's Crossrail"...completely missing the engineering differences, the governance and procurement differences, let alone the *funding differences*! London not only applied a number of taxes and surcharges, businesses *volunteered* donations to the cause, massive ones, since it made incredible business sense to them.
There are also considerable additional financial contributions from some key beneficiaries of Crossrail:

  • The construction of Crossrail is part funded by the City of London Corporation, which has agreed to make a direct contribution of £200m and in addition will seek contributions from businesses of £150m, and has guaranteed £50m of these contributions.
  • Heathrow Airport Holdings Ltd has agreed to a £70 million funding package.
  • Canary Wharf Group has agreed to contribute £150m towards the costs of the new Canary Wharf Crossrail station at Canary Wharf. Canary Wharf Group will also design and build the new station.
  • Berkeley Homes has agreed to construct a station box for a station at Woolwich.
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"Tory, the Mayor on a Hope and a Prayer" (and bended knees to plead his needs)(and that must hurt, wearing short pants).

Toronto is sinking, and it isn't due to rising lake levels...
 
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Councillor Holland is the city's "advocate for the innovation economy"...


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I wonder how many riders asked Tory why billions are being spent on an unnecessary line when the Yonge Line is over capacity?
 
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While concerns of this vein are valid, I don't believe autonomous vehicles will have any notable impact on the demand for high-demand routes, such as the Relief Line. Autonomous or not, thousands of vehicles that attempt to "replace" the Relief Line will still clog up our streets.

However, autonomous vehicle technology could have a significant impact on lower demand routes (such as LRT or BRT). It's often speculated that with the development of autonomous vehicles technologies, we might see lower volume bus routes dissolved and replaced with smaller autonomous minibuses running on a dial-a-ride model (something similar to UberPool). The route and terminals of these autonomous minibuses would be dynamically modified, according to where people are starting their trips, and what the destinations of the passengers are. In many cases, these routes might bypass BRT/LRT lines entirely, and deposit passengers directly at subway or RER stations, where the passengers can connect directly to faster modes of public transportation.

How will this change the value proposition of much of our transit investments? If you have a BRT that's running through low-density suburban areas, that was expected to only move 2,000 pphpd, I envision that this autonomous minibus technology might very well apply considerable downward pressure on BRT ridership. Why would passengers walk through their cul-de-sacs to a BRT station when they could have a minibus come straight to their door and deposit them at the local RER station? This technology might even be the key to get people to use public transport to complete the last mile(s) between their home and local GO station, rather than drive (making those huge GO parking lots obsolete).

It's something planners should be considering into the future. The future outlook on this technology is likely too murky to make any remotely accurate predictions on how autonomous technology can impact public transit, but as the picture becomes clearer in the upcoming years, municipalities and agencies need to take a hard look at this technology, and how it'll affect their business cases for various investments.

Autonomous vehicles technology will revolutionize all forms of ground technology. It's foolhardy to act as if public transit will be immune to such changes.
 
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While concerns of this vein are valid, I don't believe autonomous vehicles will have any notable impact on the demand for high-demand routes, such as the Relief Line. Autonomous or not, thousands of vehicles that attempt to "replace" the Relief Line will still clog up our streets.

However, autonomous vehicle technology could have a significant impact on lower demand routes (such as LRT or BRT). It's often speculated that with the development of autonomous vehicles technologies, we might see lower volume bus routes dissolved and replaced with smaller autonomous minibuses running on a dial-a-ride model (something similar to UberPool). The route and terminals of these autonomous minibuses would be dynamically modified, according to where people are starting their trips, and what the destinations of the passengers are. In many cases, these routes might bypass BRT/LRT lines entirely, and deposit passengers directly at subway or RER stations, where the passengers can connect directly to faster modes of public transportation.

How will this change the value proposition of much of our transit investments? If you have a BRT that's running through low-density suburban areas, that was expected to only move 2,000 pphpd, I envision that this autonomous minibus technology might very well apply considerable downward pressure on BRT ridership. Why would passengers walk through their cul-de-sacs to a BRT station when they could have a minibus come straight to their door and deposit them at the local RER station?

It's something planners should be considering into the future. The future outlook on this technology is likely too murky to make any remotely accurate predictions on how autonomous technology can impact public transit, but as the picture becomes clearer in the upcoming years, municipalities and agencies need to take a hard look at this technology, and how it'll affect their business cases for various investments.

Autonomous vehicles technology will revolutionize all forms of ground technology. It's foolhardy to act as if public transit will be immune to such changes.
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Why work ourselves into the ground with such a detailed analysis? Said "advocate for the innovation economy" have no issue voting for another new subway line elsewhere - for her to bring it up as a talking point is BS.

AoD
 
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