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There are three international airports in the golden horseshoe metropolis of 9,300,000 people, Toronto, Hamilton, kitchener . But Toronto's international airport seems to get more funding for their airport than the other two because of heavy population growth. Why call those two other airports international when the look like regional ones. In United States their regional airports look bigger than these two with larger terminals and gate bridges. If your going to make them international airports put a billion dollars or more into each one at once with a decent terminal,gate bridges and a 10,000 foot runway. Make sure there's an easy access to the airport be rail or highway. If you build they will come. With a metropolis of Over 9,300,000 we should have at least two serious international airports.
 
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Greater golden horseshoe is close, if not there yet. Hamilton and Kitchener handle miniscule amounts of traffic, most of the people from those cities simply drive to Pearson.
 
Coruscanti Cognoscente said:
I don't think the GTHA has over 9 million people
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No, it was closer to 6.5 in 2011. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Toronto_and_Hamilton_Area

Golden Horseshoe extends this around to Niagara Falls, and then you get about 7 million - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Horseshoe - but if you go with the Extended (or Greater) Golden Horseshoe (adding in Barrie, Peterborough, and Kitchener) then it starts to hit close to 9 million in 2011 - probably exceeding it now.
 
Coruscanti Cognoscente said:
I don't think the GTHA has over 9 million people
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You're right the GTAH doest have over 9 million it has about 7 million. The rest is the outer ring which includes Niagara,Haldimand, Brant,Waterloo,Wellington, Dufferin, Simcoe, Peterbough,Northumberland, and the Kawartha lakes counties and regions. This all tallys up to over 9 million in 2014. All of these people are being served with only one main international airport. What a joke!
 
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nfitz said:
No, it was closer to 6.5 in 2011. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Toronto_and_Hamilton_Area

Golden Horseshoe extends this around to Niagara Falls, and then you get about 7 million - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Horseshoe - but if you go with the Extended (or Greater) Golden Horseshoe (adding in Barrie, Peterborough, and Kitchener) then it starts to hit close to 9 million in 2011 - probably exceeding it now.
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Yes it did I wouldn't be surprised if its close to 9,5 million . NewYork City's metropolis is about 20 million and the got three major airports and about four or five big regional airports in three states. And we're only half the size in population with only one major airport.
 
nfitz said:
No, it was closer to 6.5 in 2011. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Toronto_and_Hamilton_Area


Golden Horseshoe extends this around to Niagara Falls, and then you get about 7 million - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Horseshoe - but if you go with the Extended (or Greater) Golden Horseshoe (adding in Barrie, Peterborough, and Kitchener) then it starts to hit close to 9 million in 2011 - probably exceeding it now.
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innsertnamehere said:
Greater golden horseshoe is close, if not there yet. Hamilton and Kitchener handle miniscule amounts of traffic, most of the people from those cities simply drive to Pearson.
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Of course you would drive to Toronto's airport you have no choice. But if it was situated in your metropolitan area you wouldn't have to.
 
I don't get the 'build it and they will come' mantra for airports; This isn't retail / a park / some sort of attraction ; - )

Isn't there clearly a fixed (and potentially growing / shrinking demand) for air traffic, are you saying if you improve these other airports traffic at pearson will decline ... if so okay that makes sense ... or do you mean they'll drive more 'new' traffic, which I cannot fathom .. !

Also given Pearson still seems to have 10/20+ years until it is anywhere near capacity what is the issue ?
 
Woodbridge_Heights said:
Not many airports have 10 000 ft runways...
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The reason for the 10,000 ft runway is that you can land large wide body jets. That would be good for international flights. Toronto airport has two over 11000 ft and three just shy of 10,000 .ft runways. Hamilton's airport has plans to expand 12-30 runway to 11,000 ft
and 6-20 to 9,000 ft. At least expand 12-30 runway now to improve the cargo situation now followed by a terminal in the near future.
Kitchener has a similar situation to expand runway 08-26 to 10,000 ft and runway 14-32 to about 8,000 ft and a possibility of a third at 10,000 ft .Also a possibility of a big terminal that can hold 16 gate bridges if the airport starts to handle over a million passengers a year.
 
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cd concept said:
You're right the GTAH doest have over 9 million it has about 7 million. The rest is the outer ring which includes Niagara,Haldimand, Brant,Waterloo,Wellington, Dufferin, Simcoe, Peterbough,Northumberland, and the Kawartha lakes counties and regions. This all tallys up to over 9 million in 2014. All of these people are being served with only one main international airport. What a joke!
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This is misleading. If you take such a broad view of the region there are several airports. Hamilton, Waterloo, Buffalo, Toronto City Centre.

The issue is lack of demand not lack of airports, especially lack of demand for airports which don't offer a.) proximity (i.e. YTZ) b.) connections (YYZ) or c.)huge cost discounts. Most metro-regions in the US are seeing traffic declines at secondary airports as airlines try to cut redundant services. In the Bay Area for instance, there have been substantial declines at Oakland and San Jose while SF is growing at a good pace.

Airlines aren't a high-margin business. I don't see why, even if we built more airports, they'd all of a sudden decide to duplicate (or even triplicate, given YTZ) their route structure by servicing a 3rd airport.
 
diminutive said:
This is misleading. If you take such a broad view of the region there are several airports. Hamilton, Waterloo, Buffalo, Toronto City Centre.

The issue is lack of demand not lack of airports, especially lack of demand for airports which don't offer a.) proximity (i.e. YTZ) b.) connections (YYZ) or c.)huge cost discounts. Most metro-regions in the US are seeing traffic declines at secondary airports as airlines try to cut redundant services. In the Bay Area for instance, there have been substantial declines at Oakland and San Jose while SF is growing at a good pace.

Airlines aren't a high-margin business. I don't see why, even if we built more airports, they'd all of a sudden decide to duplicate (or even triplicate, given YTZ) their route structure by servicing a 3rd airport.
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But SJ and Oak airports are both within 37 km of SF, that's very close in air travel terms. The only major (ish) airport within a 37 km radius of YYZ is YTZ. Even potential growth airports (Hamilton, Waterloo, new Pickering) do not fall within that 37 km radius. That kind of negates the argument of duplicate or triplicate routes.
 
What this boils down to is that Ontario is very conservative when it comes to building transportation services .look how long it takes to build a subway line in Toronto. The area has practically tripled since the seventies and the transportation services takes too long to get built.
 
no what it boils down to is that Canada operates its airports in a radically different way than the rest of the world, that is that airport fees pay for the capital expansion of them instead of the capital costs coming out of taxpayers pockets. Its also why flights are so god damn expensive. It also means that only what is actually needed is constructed, instead of what is nice to have.

The last time a Canadian city tried to construct a second airport slightly outside the city we ended up with Mirabel.

Indeed the area has tripled in size since the 1970's, and Pearson has grown to reflect that.
 
Yes Pearson has grown . But they should reflect some of that growth spirit into Hamilton or Kitchener's airports in the future . Not Pickering!
Most of the golden Horseshoe's population is on the southwest not the southeast. Pearson airport can handle the east side.
 
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