salsa
Senior Member
I wish they can extend the same landscape treatment all the way to Bathurst - and in the longer term, all the way to OP.
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It will be done up to Bathurst when the streetcar tracks in that section are due for replacement.
I wish they can extend the same landscape treatment all the way to Bathurst - and in the longer term, all the way to OP.
AoD
Is this wooden barrier being extended the length of the project to keep pedestrians from stumbling in front of streetcars or only in certain places?
It was to get the show ready for Friday. Crews will be down there to finish it off along with a few other things soon.Is this wooden barrier being extended the length of the project to keep pedestrians from stumbling in front of streetcars or only in certain places?
(Drum 118's photo)
I agree the designers couldn't really make up their minds. But you'll notice that the bicycle symbols are only at the "entrances" of the bike path. When the pavement starts or ends you'll find a bike symbol to denote what the path is meant for. Which actually does make sense.
But if you take York for instance, it's pretty far between the paved bike paths since the intersection is wide and there isn't any more bicycle symbols between each end (unless I missed them). There's just dashed lines denoting the MGT connection implying that you can cross it since it's not a solid line.
It was not a part of this phase. Work officially ended at Bay Street although a part of it was extended to about Yonge. Once the East Waterfront LRT is funded and as work progresses on the buildings lining Queens Quay, streets and sidewalks will be rebuilt as per the Queens Quay design.
There seems to be a large political appetite for the East Waterfront LRT and public reception to Queens Quay was extremely positive so it shouldn't be long before we see the next phase get the go ahead.
Lots of close calls between pedestrians and streetcars. It's only time before there will be a serious injury or death. I don't want to sound too critical though. I love the redesign. It just urgently needs some serious tweaking. Rather disappointed to read about the new speed restrictions too.
I don't want to sound too critical though. I love the redesign. It just urgently needs some serious tweaking. Rather disappointed to read about the new speed restrictions too.
- They need to make it very clear that the bike path is bikes only in this section...no pedestrians, people pushing strollers, etc. Intersections are really poorly marked here.
- We saw car after car turning onto the streetcar ROW at Spadina. This intersection is just so ambiguous. Having seen the intersection, I'm no longer really blaming drivers for ending up on the ROW there. This desperately needs additional signage, turning lane markings, etc.
- Lights at intersections desperately need to be improved...as others have said, they're often not in a totally logical place, and they all look the same. The bicycle lights should be green and red bike images. The transit lights should look different. And they need red arrows instead of red disks with "no right on red" signs.
- Lots of close calls between pedestrians and streetcars as well...it's only time before there will be a serious injury or death.
So I bicycled the whole QQ on my way out to the Humber for my bike ride Saturday. I had a few observations:
I don't want to sound too critical though. I love the redesign. It just urgently needs some serious tweaking. Rather disappointed to read about the new speed restrictions too.
- The overall impression and feel of the area is fantastic. It feels like Toronto finally has a real waterfront. Very vibrant and lots of potential.
- I generally love the bike path, it now links Sherbourne to the waterfront trail in a way that feels safe.
- I had lots of problems with pedestrians on the trail on the way back. A number of close calls with pedestrians not even looking as they stepped into the path Especially at intersections, people would just stand in the path.
- They need to make it very clear that the bike path is bikes only in this section...no pedestrians, people pushing strollers, etc. Intersections are really poorly marked here.
- We saw car after car turning onto the streetcar ROW at Spadina. This intersection is just so ambiguous. Having seen the intersection, I'm no longer really blaming drivers for ending up on the ROW there. This desperately needs additional signage, turning lane markings, etc.
- Lights at intersections desperately need to be improved...as others have said, they're often not in a totally logical place, and they all look the same. The bicycle lights should be green and red bike images. The transit lights should look different. And they need red arrows instead of red disks with "no right on red" signs.
- Lots of close calls between pedestrians and streetcars as well...it's only time before there will be a serious injury or death.
This sums up my view as well. It's hard to say if it was worth $130M (considering I have an inherent bias in that I think all projects in Old Toronto are worth their pricetag)
No doubt the cycle path is an accident waiting to happen. I think there needs to be posted signs warning cyclists to use a slow speed. Wayward pedestrians or toddlers are going to make it on there, and will be hit. I'm an avid cyclist, and I like speed. But whenever there are kids around, slow speeds are must. Many cyclists don't think this way though. And it's not just this section of MGT, but much of this city's recreation paths. Some of the Lower Don trail is way too bloody narrow, but unfortunately for those on foot there are no sidewalks or designated footpaths.
"If you build it, they will come" is pretty evident here. The number of cyclists that have been using the cycling path over the past few days has been incredible!
Any cyclists still on the road? Or all on the bike path now?