JayBeeGooner
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Yeah.... I can't justify paying $20. I'd have to travel to Union, wait for the train, and spend 20 minutes. Traveling. The travel won't be much shorter than taking the TTC 192.
What I've done to save 30 minutes in rush-hour is to take GO from Union to Kipling, and then take the Airport Rocket.Taking the subway + bus normally takes 60-70 minutes from downtown, shorter for those who live along the Bloor. The train takes 25, but you have to get to union first. so the real time saved is half an hour max. If the cost of the train is $15, it might be worth the extra cost, but if it is $25-35, which is more likely, I will pass.
I wish the BD line has some express train that doesn't stop every 500 meters (skipping Bay, Christy, Lansdown, High Park, Runnymede, old Mill and Royal York). It is not the distance but rather the frequent stops that slows it down.
I've heard various arguments about non-necessary TTC stations over the years. But I've never heard anyone mention Bay before! This station is very well used with over 33,000 riders a day. Most importantly, it has the 2 busiest subway stations in they city on either side (St. George and Yonge). You'd really want to push MORE people on to those other stations? Perhaps you could propose a lesser used station like Jane or Pape. (not).The existence of Bay station is rather ridiculous.
I've heard various arguments about non-necessary TTC stations over the years. But I've never heard anyone mention Bay before! This station is very well used with over 33,000 riders a day. Most importantly, it has the 2 busiest subway stations in they city on either side (St. George and Yonge). You'd really want to push MORE people on to those other stations? Perhaps you could propose a lesser used station like Jane or Pape. (not).
What I've done to save 30 minutes in rush-hour is to take GO from Union to Kipling, and then take the Airport Rocket.
On one occasion I just missed it (got to the platform to see it vanishing in the distance). As the next train wasn't for 35 minutes, I went to the subway, and took it to Kipling. I was disappointed to find that the next GO Train passed my stopped subway train while we were stopped between Islington and Kipling. However, I now know that you can save 30 minutes on GO over the subway. And it only adds $4.77 to the trip instead of $20 to $30.
Unfortunately, this solution is fairly limited until there's full service on the GO Milton line. Perhaps one day there'll be an express airport bus from Mount Dennis GO on the Kitchener line - which will be getting full-day service much sooner.
Yeah.... I can't justify paying $20. I'd have to travel to Union, wait for the train, and spend 20 minutes. Traveling. The travel won't be much shorter than taking the TTC 192.
I truly believe the fare will hover near $30. I believe $20-22 is fair.
I see your point but not convinced.
Bay is well used because of its central location but being less than 300 meters from Yonge, it is just too close. If crowding is an issue, Y/B and St George should be expanded. I have never seen a city that spends millions to build a subway station just because the nearby station 300 meters way risks being too crowded. The solution is to make that station larger, not to build a brand new station within easy walking distance.
I think the existence of Bay station was due to the plan of using lower bay to loop the Yonge/Univerity/Bloor line?
Uh no. It's not even close. There are some bus and streetcar routes in Toronto with a stop at both side of a busy intersection (yes, I think these would go). Surely, we are not the ONLY city on the planet EVER to do that!I guess the Victoria stop on 501 might be the closest bus stop from the next one (90m) in the world.
It has been an eternal frustration to me when you get on a westbound KW line train at Union and as the train pulls out of station the nice customer service announcer talks of all the bus connections available at Bramalea, Brampton, Mt. Pleasant etc and there is no extension via bus of that line from Malton to Pearson. GO could be running a service from Union to Pearson now via that route and have a GO bus meeting every train at Malton (in either direction) to take passengers off that line to the airport. It would be priced higher than TTC but would be faster, more comfortable and would fill that middle priced range (and would serve people coming from the west as well as people coming from east).
I see your point but not convinced.
Bay is well used because of its central location but being less than 300 meters from Yonge, it is just too close. If crowding is an issue, Y/B and St George should be expanded. I have never seen a city that spends millions to build a subway station just because the nearby station 300 meters way risks being too crowded. The solution is to make that station larger, not to build a brand new station within easy walking distance.
I just took a look at the map and wow, I never knew a Go station is so close to Pearson (5KM only!) yet they don't have any bus service from Malton station to Pearson, a barely 10 minutes drive????
Is there plan to make the Malton line all day service any time soon? The private sector may quickly realize the opportunity and make investment to link the station and YYZ making the expensive UPX almost completely redundant.
Just so I understand, you are proposing to save perhaps $1M per year on Bay station staff/maintenance through the creation of a $1.5B expansion of Y/B and St. George stations; which itself would need to be maintained?
I'd have thought the name "Malton" would have been a dead giveway!I just took a look at the map and wow, I never knew a Go station is so close to Pearson (5KM only!)
There are buses that serve Terminal 1 and 3, that go past the GO station. TTC 52 Lawrence West. Miway 7 Airport. Not to mention GO Transit route 34 (which also goes right into the bus loop at Bramalea GO).yet they don't have any bus service from Malton station to Pearson, a barely 10 minutes drive????
Haven't they promised increased service by 2016, at least for weekdays?Is there plan to make the Malton line all day service any time soon?
No, I meant that the Bay station shouldn't have been built as it is too close to Y/B.
Which would have left an 800 metre gap between Spadina and Avenue, in a very busy spot. This was wider than was generally used on this line, in much lower density areas.Maybe. The assumption that riders would use Lower Bay to access the University line (and the track connection between them) caused a whole lot of weird placements. Bay, St. George, and Museum could probably all have been a single station at Bloor and Avenue Road, now connected to the Bloor PATH. Hindsight is a wonderful thing....