Jarrek
Active Member
Ah, another forumer who thinks the Weston people are no better than NIMBYs. I think he makes very good points.
Agreed.
Ah, another forumer who thinks the Weston people are no better than NIMBYs. I think he makes very good points.
And how does the BILLIONS that would cost compare with the Blue-22 proposal?
This proposal is for a modest investment to get an entry-level train service going to the airport from downtown using standard rail infrastructure and what are, admittedly, probably substandard trains. (But that could be easily changed if the service is successful).
Why do people (on this board and living in Weston) see this as an opportunity to advance their favourite fantasy transit project? Do you forget that you live in a region that has done pretty much NOTHING to improve transit in the 5 years that this proposal has sat on the table? Have you not heard that the City has written off subways as too expensive?
I think this proposal reflects a realist assessment of our willingness to invest in transit that many people don't want to accept.
An Eglinton Subway (much less the TC proposal) will have no attraction to anybody. Seriously, nobody will use it. Students and a few poor people, maybe. How many poor people fly in the first place though? The majority of air travel is done either by single professional travelers or families. In Toronto, no family is going to take any kind of air/rail link from anywhere to the airport in mass numbers. Better to focus where you have a chance.
"Rapid transit yes; old diesels no"
http://www.thestar.com/article/473531
snip:
"If we are going to spend nearly $300 million of public money to build this, let's build something that serves the many neighbourhoods along the way, including Weston. We really are YIMBYs."
"The province doesn't need to go back to the environmental assessment drawing board to get it done right. A full environmental assessment conducted 15 years ago sits on a shelf somewhere. It details how Toronto can build better public transit, including to and from the airport."
so.....
-the "$300 million" is for infrastructure in Georgetown corridor, which will also benefit GO/VIA, correct? (Will transit users in this corridor be able to access Pearson once this money is spent? i.e., if you live in Brampton, and want to get to Terminal 1 by transit, will you be taking a bus? Or will the rail infrastructure for non-Blue-22 riders be built in a separate project, under some other Airport Rail Transit Access Plan? And how much will we be spending on that plan? ;^)
-the 2006 ToR can be found here: http://www.georgetownpearsonstudy.ca/georgetownpearsonstudy/index.asp
-can't find the "full EA" here, among many documents:
http://westoncommunitycoalition.ca/
I think we should let the Weston folks have their stops. Why put all this work in and confine it's use to one operation. Certainly they could run express trains and all-stops trains concurrently?
I see no reason why the regular TTC subway can't be extended the less than 12 km from Kipling Stn to the airport.
More detail here. A disused railway branch runs behind T5 and a path has been preserved to platform space. The existing rail links serve mostly north and west London whereas Airtrack improves rail access from south London. Provision of platforms was a planning condition for Terminal 5 - if only GTAA has similar direction to provide transit as a condition for further T1 and T3 expansion.There's also plans for a direct rail link to Staines from T5.
TOareafan
The issue here is exclusivity - the original B22 agreement was supposed to have had Blue 22 with sole rights to the rails from Woodbine to Pearson. A Pearson Connect run by GO would, as pointed out, change the game operationally and financially.