Transportfan
Senior Member
I don't think the platforms are long enough for that.
I don't think the platforms are long enough for that.
From the department of vague votes.Live from City Hall
Council votes 39 to 5 to ask that the Yonge North subway extension not proceed until increased capacity is added to the Yonge line
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From the department of vague votes.
The real question is what would Council do if York Region lined up funding for Yonge. Would they really stand united against a funded subway because there's little progress on a DRL? I think they'd buckle in a New York minute.
And it shows how weak Toronto's position on transit has become that we have to keep asking Metrolinx's permission for seemingly everything.
Did you watch Council today? They took a gazillion votes without really deciding much of anything. Almost everyone walked away happy because they all think they got what they wanted.Council would do the responsible thing and say no to a Yonge extension until DRL opens.
The Province is paying for it. What's new is that Metrolinx now essentially controls design and construction of transit expansion, and the TTC has been relegated to an advisory role (all in the name of accounting rules we're told). Major loss of power for Toronto.What else would Toronto do? Metrolinx is paying for all this.
Did you watch Council today? They took a gazillion votes without really deciding much of anything. Almost everyone walked away happy because they all think they got what they wanted.
Faced with a funded subway, I have no doubt Council would fold.
The Province is paying for it. What's new is that Metrolinx now essentially controls design and construction of transit expansion, and the TTC has been relegated to an advisory role (all in the name of accounting rules we're told). Major loss of power for Toronto.
Nope. Our platforms are designed for maximum of 7 car trains.
The platforms can FIT a maximum of 7 car trains, and even that would be a tight fit.
As for the 7-car idea...the fact that a long train would extend beyond the platform actually seems kind of meaningless given that the new cars are all connected. It means you have to get to one of the platform cars when it's time to get off but if you're, say, getting on at Finch and going to Union, there's no reason you can't go to the back/front of the train for your ride...
Absolute rubbish. The TRs are not a single unit, they were assembled into trains as each car arrived in Toronto. The 7th car would be a shortened 50ft unit. Maybe 1-2 would have to go to TB or Millhaven for validation testing but that's it.Adding an extra car to the TRs would be very expensive. They'll need to be sent back to Bombardier in Thunder Bay and reconstructed]. And I'm not even sure if the TRs support 7 car trainsets.
IMHO, Toronto council yesterday abdicated any right to comment on regional or local transit.
They spent 2 days deciding they want more transit than already allocated and for less money. They tried to add more projects into the priority line ahead of projects like this one while expressing no willingness to pay for it. Meanwhile, York Region has stood firm in their desire to build rapid transit and to pay their share and it is, any way you slice it, a crucial project.
If Toronto wants to build the DRL or the Scarborough subway or the North York Relief Line (sigh), they've made that their own problem. Metrolinx can deal with the rest of the region. Really, 416ers should be ashamed that 905 municipalities have been driving the discussion.
Toronto council said yesterday, in effect, we're not going to wear this and if the province wants to fund new transit, that's on them. That attitude cuts both ways.
As for the 7-car idea...the fact that a long train would extend beyond the platform actually seems kind of meaningless given that the new cars are all connected. It means you have to get to one of the platform cars when it's time to get off but if you're, say, getting on at Finch and going to Union, there's no reason you can't go to the back/front of the train for your ride...
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Exactly, it would be worse then RHill.Adding an extra car to the TRs would be very expensive. They'll need to be sent back to Bombardier in Thunder Bay and reconstructed]. And I'm not even sure if the TRs support 7 car trainsets.
But the current 6 car TRs without ATC (Automatic Train Control) should theoretically add 10% to the capacity of the YUS. With ATC enabled, there should be another 30% added since trains can run closer together (90 sec headway, theoretically).
Nothing prevents the province simply reconstituting the TTC and transferring subway operations to Metrolinx.TTC controls the operating side. If the Province wants to force the York extension, nothing prevents the TTC from short turning all trains at Steeles.
Nothing stops the province forcing the city to pay for TTC operating costs, even if run by the province.TTC is not even subsidize by the province.