W. K. Lis
Superstar
However, I'm guessing there are electronic experts (AKA kids) who are quite capable of putting together electronics that will do the same job, if not better.
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However, I'm guessing there are electronic experts (AKA kids) who are quite capable of putting together electronics that will do the same job, if not better.
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
It's not so much putting them together it's getting the parts.
smallspy
Senior Member
Seriously, can we stop repeating this myth please?
HCRR has never said such a thing, and they are in regular discussions with the TTC.
Dan
Toronto, Ont.
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
It's not so much putting them together it's getting the parts.
Ok that's good to know I just figure they wouldn't want them if they couldn't run them.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
If another new part will do the job of some old part, why not? You don't need vacuum tubes to do the same job that the tubes did, just put together some circuit boards. A smartphone could do the job, just solder together some wiring connections.
the lemur
Senior Member
Sounds like a great project for a hack lab of some kind ... provided the TTC isn't all 'uhh, no ... we don't feel like it' as they sometimes are.
AlbertHWagstaff
Senior Member
Sure, but then that defeats the authenticity of the operation of historic cars at a museum. You buy replica trolleys for the look of an old car with modern circuits.
The PCC-II cars in Philaldelphia are what you're suggesting, but plans to do that with the CLRVs were dropped about a decade ago.
wopchop
Building Toronto
The CLRVs are historically important. They were the flagship of the largest streetcar system in North America ... outlasting countless such systems that were destroyed because greed was placed before the public good. They should be preserved.
cplchanb
Senior Member
Really......? How can this be quantified?
wopchop
Building Toronto
It's a fact. Many corporations were indicted over this issue. Companies like Firestone, General Motors, Standard Oil, and Mack Trucks were all involved.
Just google "Great American Streetcar Scandal"
TOareaFan
Superstar
"fact" some call it an urban myth.
http://www.citylab.com/commute/2013...called-great-american-streetcar-scandal/5771/
wopchop
Building Toronto
Look ... obviously it is a complicated issue. Nothing is black and white. I'd wouldn't claim that every streetcar system in North America was destroyed in some type of nefarious plot. Obviously that isn't how reality works, and even your article admits that said companies did influence the "trajectory of streetcar travel". Many trolley systems clearly were bought up by subsidiary companies of GM, and GM was indicted over conspiracy to monopolize the market, so it seems clear that there was at least some intent.
However (and while I fully admit that I responded and only mentioned the Streetcar Scandal), my statement "greed placed before the public good" was also to be applicable to many other federal, state, and municipal policies and zoning laws that, over the course of 3 decades, supported the highway system and automobile (in favour of automobile manufacturers who did and still do lobby government) at the expense of streetcar system. These policies gave the automobile a distinct advantage over trolley systems, and damaged public transit in many cities across North America.
We can agree to disagree, if you want. I appreciate the article and it does make some good points. Regardless, I still think that the CLRVs are historically important and should be preserved.
However (and while I fully admit that I responded and only mentioned the Streetcar Scandal), my statement "greed placed before the public good" was also to be applicable to many other federal, state, and municipal policies and zoning laws that, over the course of 3 decades, supported the highway system and automobile (in favour of automobile manufacturers who did and still do lobby government) at the expense of streetcar system. These policies gave the automobile a distinct advantage over trolley systems, and damaged public transit in many cities across North America.
We can agree to disagree, if you want. I appreciate the article and it does make some good points. Regardless, I still think that the CLRVs are historically important and should be preserved.
Johnny Au
Senior Member
Here is some background information on the Great American streetcar scandal:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy
pstogios
Senior Member
So I was chatting with a streetcar operator on Twitter and he said the training streetcars will be "rolling soon". He didnt specify what "soon" meant.
Anyway it's good to hear the long training process is coming to an end.
Anyway it's good to hear the long training process is coming to an end.
Napoleon
Active Member
Given that there's only 6 (7?) of the new streetcars in service, it can't take that long to train operators. Smallspy helpfully explained that each driver takes a week to train. So 2 training cars times the well over a year they've had those cars means over 100 operators could have been trained. That's more than enough to drive a fleet of 6, right?
I don't know exactly how the scheduling breaks down, but let's assume 3 shifts per day. That's 21 shifts per streetcar per week. Or 126 shifts altogether. Presumably most drivers pick up 4-5 shifts a week, so if they've trained 100 operators that's 400-500 capable of driving those 126 shifts. Seems there's more than enough spare capacity. Otherwise if you train the drivers too early, they'll forget their training before they get to drive the new ones.