smallspy
Senior Member
The ramp was never the issue. The issue was the angle of the ramp when it was fully deployed, the angle of the floor and the threshold between the door and the floor.
Dan
Toronto, Ont.
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The ramp was never the issue. The issue was the angle of the ramp when it was fully deployed, the angle of the floor and the threshold between the door and the floor.
Dan
Toronto, Ont.
crs1026
Superstar
The important thing is to ensure that all the new lines we are building - TTC (Crosstown/Finch) as well as Hurontario, KW, Hamilton, etc - are built generically so that procurement for these will attract the broadest bidder base. And then, don't set unwise content terms in the tender so that builders self-exclude themselves.
The Bombardier contract is a firm order for 400 cars, of which 204 are to be TTC spec. TTC reportedly wants a further 60. The 400 order should be amended so B builds more TTC cars and fewer generic-spec cars. TTC has enough leverage in its lawsuit to force this on B. There is still time to retender for Finch or Hamilton. That cuts B out of new orders but fulfils the contract to them. Yes, it's treating the TTC procurement as a lost cause, but for the reasons already discussed that's a reality anyways.
Let TTC continue to receive cars at a trickle (it will improve, eventually) - they are good cars once they get here. And then let B take its lumps in the marketplace.
- Paul
The Bombardier contract is a firm order for 400 cars, of which 204 are to be TTC spec. TTC reportedly wants a further 60. The 400 order should be amended so B builds more TTC cars and fewer generic-spec cars. TTC has enough leverage in its lawsuit to force this on B. There is still time to retender for Finch or Hamilton. That cuts B out of new orders but fulfils the contract to them. Yes, it's treating the TTC procurement as a lost cause, but for the reasons already discussed that's a reality anyways.
Let TTC continue to receive cars at a trickle (it will improve, eventually) - they are good cars once they get here. And then let B take its lumps in the marketplace.
- Paul
nfitz
Superstar
Media is reporting that new Bombardier delivery timetable is to only delivery 13 more cars in 2016. 31 by year end. Not so long ago they were promising 27 by end of 2015.
If they achieve this schedule, they'll only deliver 16 in 2016, compared to 12 in 2015. But still will deliver all 204 by 2019. That means they'll have to average 58 a year after 2016. Which seems unbelievable.
If they achieve this schedule, they'll only deliver 16 in 2016, compared to 12 in 2015. But still will deliver all 204 by 2019. That means they'll have to average 58 a year after 2016. Which seems unbelievable.
salsa
Senior Member
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cplchanb
Senior Member
The only way I can see this remotely happening is if Mexico suddenly pulls its shit together and TB hires a night shift to go all out 24/5 construction. but thats just a pipedream :/
cplchanb
Senior Member
until they deliver at least their 10th car at the "promised rate" I will call BS on this
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Well this is the first time I've seen Bombarider outline specifically what they're going to change to fix this problem, and it's fairly significant. It give me hope that we might actually see an improvement this time, but I'm not counting on it.
nfitz
Superstar
From the text of the announcement, I'd say that either production has been moved away from Mexico, or they are setting up a a second production line in Quebec.
cplchanb
Senior Member
well now that 16wks have gone and 36 remain that means on avg 1 car every 2.25 wks....
hopefully the new line at a "canadian/worldwide plant" doesnt include Mexico (Germany or some other competent Euro plant would be nice)
hopefully the new line at a "canadian/worldwide plant" doesnt include Mexico (Germany or some other competent Euro plant would be nice)
johntauren
Active Member
Same old, same old.
I'll believe it when I see it.
I'll believe it when I see it.
nfitz
Superstar
The same old, was bumping the ramp-up to 4 cars a month, by another month.
This actually bumps it by many months. And seems to move (or add) frame production to Canada from Mexico.
This might be a real plan, for once.
If Bombardier was to really fix the problem, the first step would be to "say what they can do", so as not to create false expectations. So perhaps there's hope.
Yes, I'd agree. The next step is for them to "do what they say".
This will push production in future years to over 58 a year. Which does seem very high. Though on the other hand, they were pushing out TR cars faster than this, with 80-90 cars a year from 2011 to 2014.
crs1026
Superstar
"Adding an assembly line in one of our Canadian or Worldwide plants" is an interesting development.
I wonder if the production line for the non-TTC cars is affected.
- Paul
I wonder if the production line for the non-TTC cars is affected.
- Paul
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Or maybe they meant accelerating the pace of putting up new press releases on the putative acceleration in deliveries.
AoD
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
If that's the solution, it makes you wonder why they sat on it for so long and wasted so much time before moving on it.
AoD
salsa
Senior Member
Whenever they put out a new date for their latest watered-down delivery schedule, all we end up getting is another announcement that the streetcars will be further delayed.