Richard White
Senior Member
That was kind of my point.
I get that they need to replace the beans but at some point you start to question what they are actually doing.
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That was kind of my point.
I get that they need to replace the beans but at some point you start to question what they are actually doing.
T3G
Senior Member
Enlighten us please. What are they doing?
turbanplanner
Senior Member
DSC
Superstar
Why? It is not uncommon to phase major projects over multiple years, would you rather they had closed the Viaduct for many months 10 years ago and replaced all the beams at one time, even though most could have lasted a decade more?
turbanplanner
Senior Member
DSC
Superstar
Yes, I agree that the TTC is not well run but phasing major reno projects seems a common and sensible thing to do.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
turbanplanner
Senior Member
Why do you keep seeing statistics and attributing malice randomly? Right off the bat I'm noticing a trend with population density.
Every time I see a thread about the 401 or 400 adding lanes people scream we shouldn't do it! put money into the go. We should put money into the go but realistically once you get somewhere like Innisfail or Bowmanville are you really expecting transit to be a realistic solution once you're dropped at a station 15km away from where you're going?
goreckm
Active Member
The malice is in the planning. Adding additional lanes is a solution to a problem created by poor planning. Innisfil and Bowmanville should have good transit coverage for you when you get off the train, for example. Obviously that does not exist, and would take a complete 180 and rethink how we plan these communities, but, we should start somewhere.
turbanplanner
Senior Member
You realistically cannot have good transit when everyone has a backyard and a 50 foot wide lot! What are you going to do? have a bus for every street? Anything with a reasonable walk for most people would have a poor frequency!
We can replan for future communities but we can't really do anything for what's been built.
I work with a lot of older folks, they'd rather sit in traffic than CONSIDER riding a bus. "it's only for drunks and poors" is the phrase I hear often. This isn't everyone but especially with the safety issues lately tons of people are never getting out of their cars even with japan level transit
The additional lanes are for expansion considering the next 40 years btw. Should we abandon planning for trucking and etc?
W. K. Lis
Superstar
Replacing the shopping mall parking lots with parks, schools, and residential high-density would be a start. Replace the parking lots with mixed-use high-density would mean more walkable neighbourhoods.
Undead
Senior Member
I think we can walk and chew gum. There are many "building block" type improvements which, if implemented at scale in the suburbs, would make a difference. Things like:
Higher bus frequencies and well appointed stops. Zum is already doing this quite well and their modal share has grown. And we all know how well Toronto's bus network does for ridership. When done well, transit can make significant inroads and generate net new ridership, even in the suburbs.
Other tactical improvements would be buying up lots here and there to add protected bike lanes, widen sidewalks, build connections through previously impervious suburban street layouts, add bus queue jump lanes.
Yes, all these changes require extra capital and operational funding, and ongoing care and attention to detail.
Upzoning the suburbs for multiplex and midrise would help, as would eliminating parking minimums and requiring more bike parking.
We could also require all new development to include provisions for public transit, biking and walking: suburban office parks don't have to be hellholes.
I do think there is an upper limit to how urban many places can become. And I've got severe doubts about our ability to design, build and maintain all this infrastructure. But we're so far from having exhausted all opportunities for improvements that it makes no sense to throw hands up in defeat.
Higher bus frequencies and well appointed stops. Zum is already doing this quite well and their modal share has grown. And we all know how well Toronto's bus network does for ridership. When done well, transit can make significant inroads and generate net new ridership, even in the suburbs.
Other tactical improvements would be buying up lots here and there to add protected bike lanes, widen sidewalks, build connections through previously impervious suburban street layouts, add bus queue jump lanes.
Yes, all these changes require extra capital and operational funding, and ongoing care and attention to detail.
Upzoning the suburbs for multiplex and midrise would help, as would eliminating parking minimums and requiring more bike parking.
We could also require all new development to include provisions for public transit, biking and walking: suburban office parks don't have to be hellholes.
I do think there is an upper limit to how urban many places can become. And I've got severe doubts about our ability to design, build and maintain all this infrastructure. But we're so far from having exhausted all opportunities for improvements that it makes no sense to throw hands up in defeat.
turbanplanner
Senior Member
Dude I don't want to live outside woodbine mall. I've seen some condos built in lots and speaking to residents it sucks since it wasn't built like that from the ground up.
Like somewhere like city place I'd be ok with BUT everyone absolutely hates being there, especially the traffic despite most people being WFH or able to walk to work.
smallspy
Senior Member
Perhaps, if you don't understand what a beam is in this context.
What they are replacing is the track beams - the concrete "panels" that the tracks run on. And because of their design and the fact that they have a finite lifespan, they are basically a consumable good.
And there are over 200 of them on the bridge. With a limited ability to work on them, it means that each of the 15 or so chances a year they get to replace one, they replace one.
Dan
Richard White
Senior Member
The RT derailed this evening.
I can see this being the end of the RT. No doubt the TTC and City of Toronto will use this an excuse to shut it down early for safety reasons.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/scarborough-rt-derailment-1.6916660
I can see this being the end of the RT. No doubt the TTC and City of Toronto will use this an excuse to shut it down early for safety reasons.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/scarborough-rt-derailment-1.6916660