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Some of these events (like the marathons, the triathlon and the "Ride for Heart" event) cause so much disruption that there are massive traffic jams and it is practically impossible to get around. Also I strongly suspect that the negative effect on the economy caused by getting millions of people stuck in traffic and forcing people to avoid going into downtown Toronto vastly exceeds the amount of money raised by charity by these events. Only a small percentage of the Heart and Stroke Foundation's revenue comes from the annual closure of DVP and Gardiner. Most of it comes from lottery sales. There have got to be better ways to finance these charities. Even if taxpayer money were used to fund these charities instead it would only be a tiny percentage of government budgets.
Wow, such hyperbole. These events take place on Sunday morning, when there isn't much traffic anyway. Also, you seem to forget that people who come into the city for these events also spend money in the city. Probably far more people than would be in the city otherwise on a Sunday morning.
 
Speaking of diversion and stuff does anyone know when Richmond is going to be finished. I walked across it this evening and the streetcar track is now one way on it. Alos are there any plans to put a one way track back onto Adelaide street? Both would probably be good to help with future road closures on King or Queen.
 
As for Remembrance Day, the only politically feasible solution is to make November 11 a statutory holiday..

Ok, it had to happen sooner or later; Andrew said something sensible; even if he did it for the wrong reasons! LOL

Remembrance Day should be a stat. But not because it would alleviate traffic issues!

Rather, because Its already a stat. in ever province west of Ontario; and one/two of the maritime provinces.

Ontario at 9 stats. has fewer than either BC or Sask (10) so room to add one.

And outside of the Canada Day to Labour Day gap (Aug. civic is not a Stat.) this is the only other huge gap btw mandatory days off (Thanksgiving to Christmas).

But it might help traffic too, I suppose.
 
Speaking of diversion and stuff does anyone know when Richmond is going to be finished. I walked across it this evening and the streetcar track is now one way on it. Alos are there any plans to put a one way track back onto Adelaide street? Both would probably be good to help with future road closures on King or Queen.
The City website is still saying Richmond will be finished by November 30 (See: http://www1.toronto.ca/City Of Toro...richmond_watermain-ttc_cons6-w28_nov3-16 .pdf), I suspect this means mid-December for the final resurfacing but they are making progress. The track is replaced west of Victoria so they only have the Church to Victoria block to complete. Then the TTC needs to reinstall the overhead from Victoria too York so I bet we won't see streetcars on it until early 2017.

The City has work planned for Adelaide (water, sewer) in 2018 and 2019 but I strongly doubt that the streetcar tracks west of Victoria will be rebuilt after this happens. Replacing all the track remains on the TTC's track plans but when they redid the track on York they did not build any curves to/from Adelaide. Of course, Richmond/Adelaide WOULD make useful diversion routes (particularly if York was made two-way, there was another curve at King and/or if Richmond were extended to Spadina) but I think that ship has sailed. There is lots of discussion of all this on Steve Munro's site, if you really area "TTCFan" you should go and read it.
 
Wonder if New York City gets complaints about the closing of Times Square each New Years Eve?

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Times Square and New Year's Eve aren't really analogous to private concerns closing Toronto thoroughfares.

From the NYCGov's website:
Times Square New Year's Eve Celebration
Going to see the ball drop in Times Square? Here are some things to know:

- Use mass transit! Drivers should expect traffic delays, and gridlock at bridges and tunnels.
- Avoid driving in midtown on New Year's Eve.
- Backpacks and large bags are prohibited.
- Alcoholic beverages are prohibited.
- Property may not be abandoned at checkpoints.
- Attendees who leave before the ball drops will not be able to gain entry to their original viewing area.
- Expect delays getting into the Times Square area on foot.
- All visitors must go through metal detectors.
- Large screens will be set up in Times Square for those who cannot get close to the ball drop location at 43rd Street and Broadway.


Street Closures & Parking Information
Beginning at 1:30 p.m. on Monday, December 31st, Times Square will be closed to vehicle traffic. People are strongly advised to use public transportation. On-street parking will be extremely limited in the Midtown area. The NYPD will continue its drunken driving enforcement on New Year's Eve through DWI patrols and checkpoints throughout the City.
Read the NYPD's New Year's Eve Traffic Advisory (includes detailed parking and street closure information)
Visit the NYC Street Closures Map
Visit the DOT weekly street closure page

Transit Information
The easiest way to get to Times Square is by subway. Some subway station exits in the Times Square area may be closed due to crowding. See other recommended subway stops. Buy MetroCard in advance.
Learn more about New Year's subway and bus service via www.mta.info
Read MTA's Service for New Year's Holiday press release
Go to MTA's Holiday Weekend Service and Special Events page

http://www.nyc.gov/html/misc/html/new_years.html

Mayor Plans to Close Parts of Broadway to Traffic
By WILLIAM NEUMAN and MICHAEL BARBARO
Published: February 25, 2009
The city plans to close several blocks of Broadway to vehicle traffic through Times Square and Herald Square, an experiment that would turn swaths of the Great White Way into pedestrian malls and continue Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg’s effort to reduce traffic congestion in Midtown.

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The New York Times
Broadway traffic would also be barred in Herald Square.

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Although it seems counterintuitive, officials believe the move will actually improve the overall flow of traffic, because the diagonal path of Broadway tends to disrupt traffic where it intersects with other streets.

The city plans to introduce the changes as early as May and keep them in effect through the end of the year. If the experiment works, they could become permanent. The plan was described by several people who were briefed on it this week.

Mr. Bloomberg was expected to announce the plan Thursday.

A City Hall spokesman declined comment in advance of the announcement.

The plan calls for Broadway to be closed to vehicles from 47th Street to 42nd Street. Traffic would continue to flow through on crossing streets, but the areas between the streets would become pedestrian malls, with chairs, benches and cafe tables with umbrellas.

Seventh Avenue would be widened slightly within Times Square to accommodate the extra traffic diverted from Broadway.

Below 42nd Street, Broadway would be open to traffic, but then would shut down again at Herald Square, from 35th Street to 33rd Street. Then, below 33rd, it would open again.

The plan is the latest move by Mr. Bloomberg to change the way the city thinks of its streets, making them more friendly to pedestrians and cyclists and chipping away at the dominance of the automobile. [...]
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/26/nyregion/26broadway.html?_r=0

Toronto would be so lucky...
 
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Certainly on my bucket list
Yeah, I love NY.

But I find nothing inviting in the latter day pic, but something very inviting about the one from the Thirties. The giant tree might have something to do with it. Although now cleaned up (nod to Giuliani, a man I don't care for) Times Square is garish. Nice place to walk through, and keep going. lol...there's so much else to see and do there, even a a few blocks away.
 
I have to say that the disruption caused by the Toronto marathons (particularly Waterfront Marathon) is far worse than the NYC marathon today. The closure of the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge is really dumb because it closes the only road between Staten Island and the rest of NYC and forces drivers to take a 35 mile detour through New Jersey and shuts down a large number of bus routes that use the bridge. Other than that, the impact of the Waterfront Marathon on traffic and transit service is much, much worse, judging from the traffic map. It helps that NYC has a large subway system which keeps running during closures while Toronto has a tiny subway system and the streetcar system is constantly being shut down for events and construction.

Politically, really big events that attract millions of people like the Santa Claus Parade or Pride Parade are untouchable, but the hundreds of minor events that close roads need to stop. Also the really notorious events like "Ride for Heart", "Toronto Triathlon Festival" and the marathons that cause extreme levels of traffic congestion and make it impossible to get around need to be cancelled. I am not aware of any other city that closes such long sections of highways for something like "Ride for Heart" causing severe traffic jams all over the city. Also it is absolutely essential that subway construction closures be prohibited on the same day as special event closures, which requires severely limiting the number of events given how frequently subway closures happen in Toronto.

I recall John Tory promising to limit road closures when he was elected in 2014 and he has completely broken his promise, presumably because he does not want to fight our dysfunctional city council on this issue. I strongly suspect that Toronto has more of these road closures than anywhere else in the world and it is a huge problem.
 
Politically, really big events that attract millions of people like the Santa Claus Parade or Pride Parade are untouchable, but the hundreds of minor events that close roads need to stop.
These are events, with few exceptions, held in or near the core on weekends. There is a balance to be struck, and I'm no fan of sports celebrations (albeit I'm very athletic) or Santa Claus, who's been hijacked, but they are favoured by the majority, which makes a huge difference. Cities are large villages, and centres must be able to host events for the masses *with caveats*!

Also the really notorious events like "Ride for Heart", "Toronto Triathlon Festival" and the marathons that cause extreme levels of traffic congestion and make it impossible to get around need to be cancelled.
Relocated and better planned. I'm a distance cyclist in phenomenal shape for my age, and large groups of cyclists in silly outfits, doing silly moves on even sillier machines get in my way, even as I'm avoiding cars. Too bad most of it isn't about fitness at all...

I recall John Tory promising to limit road closures when he was elected in 2014 and he has completely broken his promise,
Yeah, that was for construction projects IIRC, but point taken. For many of these events, albeit well-meant, they hold the masses hostage for the vanities of a few. Again, it comes down to poor planning. I could point out a lot better routes for a lot of these events, I've had to learn them by discovery over the decades...and who in the hell wants to cycle up/down the DVP in the name of fitness? I find it absurd that people need to form mobs in one-off events in the name of fitness and good causes.

But the event that *really* rubs me the wrong way, and I have many friends in the film biz, both production and post production (I've worked as a technical specialist on a couple of shoots myself) is TIFF. WTF? Block a side street, not King. Much of it wipes clean with a damp cloth, it's so plastic coated. And Torontonians eat it up. "Look how world-city we are!". Most world cities wouldn't get on their knees and cow-tow like Toronto does. They don't have to, they're world class cities...
 
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Politically, really big events that attract millions of people like the Santa Claus Parade or Pride Parade are untouchable, but the hundreds of minor events that close roads need to stop. Also the really notorious events like "Ride for Heart", "Toronto Triathlon Festival" and the marathons that cause extreme levels of traffic congestion and make it impossible to get around need to be cancelled. I am not aware of any other city that closes such long sections of highways for something like "Ride for Heart" causing severe traffic jams all over the city.
Last time you posted this exact same thing, I gave you several examples of events that close highways around the world. I don't know why you keep posting the same thing over and over without reading anyone's responses to you.
 
Hang on though, I've just spent fifteen minutes trying to find street closures, let alone major street closures, in New York http://gis.nyc.gov/streetclosure/ and London UK (London Film Festival)(Add LA too) to no avail. Every time I enter "road closure film festival" the only hits that come up are Toronto.

Why do you think that might be?
 
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