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PinkLucy said:
Is it a train? Is it a bus? Would it work here? https://metro.co.uk/2017/10/28/new-...virtual-rail-lines-launched-in-china-7034155/
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Considering how it snows here and this technology relies on the dotted lines, they'll have to manually drive them in winter. Will it jackknife is another question during snowstorms. Plenty of articulated buses did last snowstorm especially on hilly routes like Dufferin. Streetcars on the other hand had less incidents with the snow and more with selfish drivers deciding to park on the tracks. These trains could swerve???

They are just battery powered buses and would have less problems than the BBD guided rail trams. They can just go with trolleybus overhead wires to solve the power issue. They'll just be bumpy without the real feel of streetcar/LRT rail smoothness.
 
Steve X said:
Considering how it snows here and this technology relies on the dotted lines, they'll have to manually drive them in winter. Will it jackknife is another question during snowstorms. Plenty of articulated buses did last snowstorm especially on hilly routes like Dufferin. Streetcars on the other hand had less incidents with the snow and more with selfish drivers deciding to park on the tracks. These trains could swerve???

They are just battery powered buses and would have less problems than the BBD guided rail trams. They can just go with trolleybus overhead wires to solve the power issue. They'll just be bumpy without the real feel of streetcar/LRT rail smoothness.
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You're right. Snow will block the dotted line technology, making it hard to drive in winter. As well, yeah every winter, that problem of the Nova Artics on Dufferin gets worse, imagine it would be no different with this "LRT" vehicle.
 
PinkLucy said:
Is it a train? Is it a bus? Would it work here? https://metro.co.uk/2017/10/28/new-...virtual-rail-lines-launched-in-china-7034155/
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I could see these working on the Missisauga Transitway as an express system that only operates on the transitway, but would still allow buses to still use it.

If and when demand on the transitway warrents it. Probably not until the rest of the Transitway is built (the portion thats currently using the 403) and the connections to Milton Line, the Hurontario Line is built, fostering demand.

Would benefit from a dedicated transitway to the airport too.

Also could be used on 407 Transitway. Again, if demand is there.
 
Here is the terms of reference - from the City's website -

https://www.toronto.ca/wp-content/u...Toronto-Ontario-Terms-of-Reference-Final_.pdf

It clearly states that with the proposed "upload" model "responsibility for day-to-day operations, including labour relations, remains with the City". While it raises different options for infrastructure uploads (including the possibility of only uploading new infrastructure), I see no mention of even considering operations moving away from the city.

Hopefully this finally puts an end to claims that TTC would no longer be running the subways, and TTC would be spit in two!
 
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steveintoronto said:
Discussion started at:
https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threa...cussion-superlinx-subway-upload.29213/page-17
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I'd argue that it's off-topic there. That thread is about a super agency. This document kills that idea completely, confirming that TTC would continue to operate the subway under all the models they are considering.

This proposal is simply uploading the subway (Lines 1, 2, and 4 at least), and looks similar to how the city already uploaded Line 5 and 6 to the province.
 
nfitz said:
Here is the terms of reference - from the City's website -

https://www.toronto.ca/wp-content/u...Toronto-Ontario-Terms-of-Reference-Final_.pdf

It clearly states that with the proposed "upload" model "responsibility for day-to-day operations, including labour relations, remains with the City". While it raises different options for infrastructure uploads (including the possibility of only uploading new infrastructure), I see no mention of even considering operations moving away from the city.

Hopefully this finally puts an end to claims that TTC would no longer be running the subways, and TTC would be spit in two!
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Nothing about uploading the Gardiner Expressway and the Don Valley Parkway up to the province, since mostly the 905 use them.
 
nfitz said:
Here is the terms of reference - from the City's website -

https://www.toronto.ca/wp-content/u...Toronto-Ontario-Terms-of-Reference-Final_.pdf

It clearly states that with the proposed "upload" model "responsibility for day-to-day operations, including labour relations, remains with the City". While it raises different options for infrastructure uploads (including the possibility of only uploading new infrastructure), I see no mention of even considering operations moving away from the city.

Hopefully this finally puts an end to claims that TTC would no longer be running the subways, and TTC would be spit in two!
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I actually hadn't really seen people claim TTC/City wouldn't operate. Still though I think it's fair to say the TTC would be somewhat split in two if this went through. Buses/streetcars are City, the subway is Prov - even though the two are quite coordinated with the longstanding built infrastructure integrating them.

I also hadn't seen the bit that this could possibly be about uploading new infrastructure specifically, which is interesting. Either way this seems a bit like a reverse NYC situation. There the city owns the subways but the state is in control of funding their maintenance. Here we'd have the subways taken for the province to own, but the city would be funding maintenance. Or I still don't get what upload means yet.
 
PinkLucy said:
Is it a train? Is it a bus? Would it work here? https://metro.co.uk/2017/10/28/new-...virtual-rail-lines-launched-in-china-7034155/
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Would it work here?...……..absolutely, categorically not.

Even if they managed to get around the issues of snow and ice, these systems do not offer the 'best of both worlds' but rather the worst of both. It neither offers the flexibility of a bus nor the smooth ride of a streetcar. They have proven themselves to be expensive toys and a transportation failure.

One of the supposed advantages of the system is that they are far quicker and less disruptive to build as opposed to tearing up streets to lay tracks. At first this was very much the case as they are quicker, less disruptive, and cheaper to build but eventually turned out being quite the opposite. This is not due to the technology per-se but rather how it is operated. Due to the rigidity of the route, the buses run in the exact same spot all the time. Pavement was not built for such usage as it doesn't have the strength to maintain it as is clearly visible when ice forms and it cracks in the cold and becomes soft and warps in the heat. This has caused these automated bus systems to have failures in both the technological and physical infrastructure. This has caused most cities to tear up the routes and replace the bus tire space with concrete...........they end up having to tear up the road regardless just like they would have had to do with a streetcar to begin with.

These systems can work in exclusive bus ROW like the Miss Transitway but only if they are built as concrete corridors with the traction line installed to begin with. Adelaide's O-Bahn works well because it doesn't have the median guidance system and was built with concrete to begin with. To merge in perfect alignment with the stations to allow for even and easy access boarding they simply have a very small guidance wheel that runs up against the platform when entering a station to 'guide' the bus into perfect alignment with the platforms.

These systems are nothing but bad news and have been a stellar failure in both operations and sales which is why Bombardier quit producing them.
 
This morning, 501L is currently running with some Flexities on it! Does 501L need LF capacity? ( it's a short shuttle route, that has low ridership, although when they spilt the 501, there started to be more riders because it became a bit more frequent then before ).
 
The 501 (west of Humber) needs some streetcars period. The TTC has been running less service everywhere due to the rate CLRVs/ALRVs have been dropping, so irrespective of the capacity of the Flexitiies, something needs to be used to pick up and drop off passengers.
 
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