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Steve X said:
Since all the streetcar trackers are working, I suspect this has something to do with a new VISION system update. The few buses are still trackable might have not received the update yet. It's not the first time VISION had a problem, there were ghost buses and all sorts of thing the last time it went haywire.
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No Next Bus, No tracking at stops that have that..........

AND no printed schedules either; cause someone never considered what might be needed when your app crashes.

See booster pumps in Aura thread for a similar example of poor thinking.
 
^Good stuff now that we found out what caused the issue, i'm lookng forward to the TTC crippling subway service by reducing speeds along all "special pieces of track" to something along the lines of 10km/h as they do with streetcars to cope with their newest phobia: derailments.
 
Northern Light said:
No Next Bus, No tracking at stops that have that..........

AND no printed schedules either; cause someone never considered what might be needed when your app crashes.

See booster pumps in Aura thread for a similar example of poor thinking.
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and if we had printed schedules would you REALLY believe them? Of course not.
 
Amare said:
^Good stuff now that we found out what caused the issue, i'm lookng forward to the TTC crippling subway service by reducing speeds along all "special pieces of track" to something along the lines of 10km/h as they do with streetcars to cope with their newest phobia: derailments.
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Oh god. They already are forced to go at a snails pace on streetcars. Subways would be even worse to do it.
 
thettctransitfanatic said:
Oh god. They already are forced to go at a snails pace on streetcars. Subways would be even worse to do it.
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I recall the days where trains would crawl into Kennedy because of backups at the terminals. It took 20 minutes to go one stop.

Even now when trains key by they only go around 10 kph and it adds 10-20 minutes between each station.

Slow orders are not the answer.
 
Amare said:
^Good stuff now that we found out what caused the issue, i'm lookng forward to the TTC crippling subway service by reducing speeds along all "special pieces of track" to something along the lines of 10km/h as they do with streetcars to cope with their newest phobia: derailments.
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TTC: Should we fix the problem?
Also TTC: HAHAHAHAHA no! Now we have an excuse to cripple service!
 
thettctransitfanatic said:
Oh god. They already are forced to go at a snails pace on streetcars. Subways would be even worse to do it.
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The big problem has been the underfunding of the past couple of decades. For example, with the lack of funds to truly fix the streetcar track switches, it is cheaper to just go slowing or stopping at the track switches. (Decisions made by non-transit using bureaucrats and politicians.)
 
^The defect was found to have developed undetected on a piece of trackage that is used daily (not for passengers, but for operations).

In other words, on a piece of track that should have had regular inspections.

So, either the inspectors are generally ineffective, or they weren't inspecting this track. Maybe for budgetary reasons, or maybe for other reasons.

After the Russell Hill collision in 1995, general lack of attention to SOGR and a culture of cutting corners were both cited as causal factors contributing to the accident.

How far from that state are we in today?

- Paul
 
crs1026 said:
^The defect was found to have developed undetected on a piece of trackage that is used daily (not for passengers, but for operations).

In other words, on a piece of track that should have had regular inspections.

So, either the inspectors are generally ineffective, or they weren't inspecting this track. Maybe for budgetary reasons, or maybe for other reasons.

After the Russell Hill collision in 1995, general lack of attention to SOGR and a culture of cutting corners were both cited as causal factors contributing to the accident.

How far from that state are we in today?

- Paul
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Honestly, the SOGR situation is bad and only getting worse.

Politicians only care about re-election and showcasing track replacement, signal replacement will not accomplish that. People will vote for flashy new subway lines, more service and lower fares but the moment you talk about maintenance over improvements you lose votes.

With that in mind, there have been so many calls for budget cuts that SOGR work is likely cut back significantly. You cannot cut back the fancy new signalling system, Scaborough Subway, Ontario Line or Crosstown but you can cut back on track inspections and rail replacement.

I hate to say it but until we have another Russell Hill incident nothing will change. Unless we have a major train derailment (and/or fatality) nothing will change because politicians will continue to take a blind eye to SOGR issues.

Train derailment at a minor, hardly used yard in a low used section of Line 2.. who cares. If you have a train derailment with resulting injuries and/or fatalities at Yonge and Bloor because of a defective crossover.. that will cause people to fund SOGR work.
 
W. K. Lis said:
The big problem has been the underfunding of the past couple of decades. For example, with the lack of funds to truly fix the streetcar track switches, it is cheaper to just go slowing or stopping at the track switches. (Decisions made by non-transit using bureaucrats and politicians.)
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Most of the track switches are in fairly good shape having been replaced in the overall track rehab program since 2000 to replace all the crumbling track of the 1980s. In most cases there is no danger in the physical switch itself, problems have been with the SEL system that controls the NA switches, external matter in a switch, or operators who haven't paid attention to switches and were travelling excessively fast. Too often there are NA switches out of service for very long periods, which results in having to do manual switching. Is there a more robust modern system for controlling switches? The SEL system was installed in the late 1980s and replaced the overhead contactor system. Is there a newer technology out there?
 
Something held up westbound 504 service this morning at Sherbourne. TPS was actually on scene for once and arranged for 503/14x buses to pass the disabled streetcars on the left (in the eastbound lanes). Funny sight of the morning were people still walking up to the queue of empty streetcars and pressing the door open button and being astounded they didn't open, then deciding they should try pushing the button again a second and third time because maybe that would make the "Not in Service" parked streetcar with four-way flashers on in a queue of such vehicles open its doors for them.
 
Jonny5 said:
Something held up westbound 504 service this morning at Sherbourne. TPS was actually on scene for once and arranged for 503/14x buses to pass the disabled streetcars on the left (in the eastbound lanes). Funny sight of the morning were people still walking up to the queue of empty streetcars and pressing the door open button and being astounded they didn't open, then deciding they should try pushing the button again a second and third time because maybe that would make the "Not in Service" parked streetcar with four-way flashers on in a queue of such vehicles open its doors for them.
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Maybe the TTC should make OPs carry paper tape and a pen at all times in prep for delays like this. And then have them right down, ''THE DOORS WILL NOT OPEN, THERE IS A DELAY, TAKE THE NEXT BUS". That would be a lot of work, but would help the message get out better to the stupid.
 
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