ksun
Senior Member
What a leap from the schedule a year ago - which was end 2016 as well.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/tra...ants_metrolinx_to_speed_up_presto_launch.html
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What a leap from the schedule a year ago - which was end 2016 as well.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/tra...ants_metrolinx_to_speed_up_presto_launch.html
Johnny Au
Senior Member
Theo Moudakis made a point that is children can ride for free, why not give them free beer?
Discussion about the legal drinking age doesn't belong in this thread.
Theo believed that if children can ride for free, it meant that instead of going home from school, there would be no way to prevent children from hanging out in a mall or causing trouble, in other words, very much the same as getting children intoxicated for free, with both leading to dire consequences on society, especially given that in all but the most serious cases, children don't get imprisoned and that it would be much easier for children to go missing. Combine both, and there would be no way to prevent children from skipping school (thanks to free transit fares) to get intoxicated.
Yes, there are many children who don't understand the consequences of playing hooky to get intoxicated.
ksun
Senior Member
^ such arguments are as foolish as saying allowing beer to be sold in convenience stores will automatically lead to higher drunk driving and therefore more death from it, according to some self-righteous "parents", who apparently ignore the fact jurisdictions, including Canada provinces that allow alcohol to be sold everywhere don't have higher fatality from drunk driving at all. Sometimes people simply enjoy sticking to their false logic as if it were unshakable truth.
nfitz
Superstar
Leased units wouldn't be custom-built to TTC specs. There's no point, you don't have to worry about lifespan. Maybe they'd get some TTC paint and fabrics quickly installed ...
Of course it is. In the example given it was about 40 minutes on transit (which is closer to 35 minutes with a 10-minute walk), versus 15-20 minutes driving. That's not 45 minutes saved. At best it's 20 to 25 minutes saved. But you get 10 minutes of exercise too ... is that a savings? People pay good money to get exercise.
The example given was 2 subway lines. No waiting outside. And why would anyone start their journey waiting for a bus? Who'd here would leave their house at -15 without checking to see if the bus is anywhere near on NextBus? And even if they did, who wouldn't pull out their phone at the stop, realize they are waiting for 15 minutes, and then walk back inside ...
smallspy
Senior Member
They wouldn't lease.
New Flyer is apparently very, very eager to get back into the TTC's good graces, considering that they haven't won a tender since the 1998/99 7300-series D40LF order. So much so that they had apparently offered to build these 50 buses on spec for the TTC, to operate for a year or two before being taken back by New Flyer. (Of course, New Flyer would hope that the TTC would actually buy the buses outright, and buy more, but was designing their plans to take them back.)
Now that the TTC is likely to actually get the money to purchase the buses rather than having NFI build some loaners, it changes things greatly. They may still get the buses from NFI, or instead order them outright if NFI is willing to meet the TTC's terms (or at least meet them halfway) - or instead, the TTC may try and get Nova Bus to build another 50 buses for delivery later this year.
The next two weeks will be quite interesting indeed.
Dan
Toronto, Ont.
nfitz
Superstar
Digging into the pages of budget notes, the 50 bus purchase is paid out over 2015 to 2016, in the amount consistent with purchase. So they seem to have moved from a loan to purchase, and expanded the timeframe. So no quick fix.
Presumably then, as the April 2014 purchase of the 55 buses included options through 2018, they'll just add this to the current order from Nova.
Electrify
Senior Member
YRT has picked up some XD40 buses recently, and they are some of the nicest urban transit vehicles I've been in. Hard to describe, but they just feel solid and well built.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Great. Please do keep us updated if you can
salsa
Senior Member
Reading the Fine Print: The TTC’s 2015 Budget
http://torontoist.com/2015/01/reading-the-fine-print-the-ttcs-2015-budget/
http://torontoist.com/2015/01/reading-the-fine-print-the-ttcs-2015-budget/
Northern Light
Superstar
TTC's new Customer Service Charter for 2015 is out.
Mostly what you'd expect.....conversion of 509/510/511 to the new streetcars, various already announced service improvements and some minor maintenance projects.
Curious it was deemed a worth improvement that dozens of subway cars will have their lighting converted LED.
http://www.ttc.ca/Customer_Service/Customer_Charter/2015_Customer_Charter.jsp
Mostly what you'd expect.....conversion of 509/510/511 to the new streetcars, various already announced service improvements and some minor maintenance projects.
Curious it was deemed a worth improvement that dozens of subway cars will have their lighting converted LED.
http://www.ttc.ca/Customer_Service/Customer_Charter/2015_Customer_Charter.jsp
Northern Light
Superstar
From the TTC's projects page; an update on the preferred location for the new second exit for Chester Station. (right across the road from the entrance in the Green P lot)
On this page you can see the presentation about the different options and how they were ranked; we're it not for the damage it would do the Logan parkette, I think it would make more
sense to have the exit facing Arundel; that was the#2 choice for that reason.
http://www.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Projects/Second_Exit_Projects/Latest_News/index.jsp
On this page you can see the presentation about the different options and how they were ranked; we're it not for the damage it would do the Logan parkette, I think it would make more
sense to have the exit facing Arundel; that was the#2 choice for that reason.
http://www.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Projects/Second_Exit_Projects/Latest_News/index.jsp
DSC
Superstar
When making lists like this one is wise to include lots of smaller (or already almost finished) projects so at the end of the year you can say "We achieved all our goals."
RapidTransit
Active Member
I'm not saying your lying or anything. But where are you getting this info from? I looked on TTC website and can't find anything that says TTC is in talks with NFI. I know they have the option for more buses with Nova. Even if its leased buses, there's no mention of it on TTCs website, or the Tender section. I'm not questioning your credibility or anything.
Another thing I notice is the talk of 60 new cars. It says Cars, and not trains, or sets. Does this mean TTC is going back to the 'A' 'B' set up before the TRs came? Similar to the T1s and Hawker trains. Personally I wouldn't mind, that way I can look out the front or back of the train.
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DSC
Superstar
Dan's information has always been very reliable in the past so I bet what he says is true. The TTC website is certainly not going to talk about projects that they are discussing until they become fact.
smallspy
Senior Member
I know a couple of people at TTC's head office. This is coming from one of them who happens to be indirectly involved in the discussions with NFI. You're not going to find anything online until such a time that an agreement is met. And if they can't come to some sort of understanding, I highly doubt that it any of this will ever be made publicly known by the TTC.
The subway has always been measured by "cars", despite the fact that TRs are not designed to be broken up like the previous orders. The original TR order was for 234 cars - which happens to be 39 trainsets - to replace 226 older cars.
Dan
Toronto, Ont.