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It was in in a little report called the Big Move, in the 25-year plan section.Did it? Good news if so, but I've never heard of it.
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It was in in a little report called the Big Move, in the 25-year plan section.Did it? Good news if so, but I've never heard of it.
The province has already promised to pick up the tab for the DRL, and complete it by 2033. Sheppard isn't on the province's radar.
The Sheppard East LRT, Finch West LRT, Don Mills LRT, Jane LRT, Waterfront West LRT, Scarborough-Malvern LRT, and SRT extension to Malvern were all city-led LRT corridors, and all included - mostly in the 15-year plan, but I think a couple were in the 25-year plan.Sheppard wasn't in the document because it was a city-led LRT corridor.
The province seems to be very proactive about Sheppard, doing their darnedest to make sure this unnecessary line isn't constructed; yet at the same time is building more transit lines in Toronto than anytime since the 1960s.I just wish the province was being more proactive about Sheppard instead of focusing into bringing the subway to some God-forsaken big box stores in the northern fringe of the city.
i know people who livei toronto and think anything south of the 401east of 427 and west of the dvp is "downtown" or urban. people have varied ideas of these definitions. its subjective. i think it would be helpful if instead of debating a polarizing topic of who should get what which tends to be one should get everything and the other nothing that we should say for every 1km of subway built north of eglinton the city pledges to build 3km below eglinton. this would ensure that both parties feel that they will get something built. i think alot of sheppard peoples fear is if we start the drl and it becomes a priority sheppard might not see completion until 2050.
The province seems to be very proactive about Sheppard, doing their darnedest to make sure this unnecessary line isn't constructed; yet at the same time is building more transit lines in Toronto than anytime since the 1960s.
Remember, that the forecast ridership for the extension to Vaughan is higher than the Sheppard subway.
A good friend of mine will be living a few mins from the Vaughan City Centre station. He and his neighbours are already protesting any large scale redevelopment but super excited about the subway being nearby.
It's not the City of Toronto or TTC's problem as those places contribute nothing. City of Toronto agencies serves the taxpayers of this city. Maybe those municipalities could take baby steps first and raise transit spending to the same level of Toronto first before we start digging subways to corn fields.
The province has already promised to pick up the tab for the DRL, and complete it by 2033. Sheppard isn't on the province's radar.
The argument being the current amount of taxes collected in the GTA should be more than enough to pay for all those big capital transit projects.Metrolinx will unveil its strategy to raise revenues for transit infrastructure in 2013. The strategy will consist mostly of road tolls, parking taxes and sales taxes. Politicians will immediately trip all over themselves to oppose these measures.
Right. So then you'd agree that people who come from outside to Toronto should get free TTC rides and parking?
Free coffee at Tim Horton's?
Free dinners at Canoe?
Because, like, they're contributing "nothing" to the city's' economy, right?
And you also agree that the Torontonians who come up to work in Markham and Vaughan and Richmond Hill, they similarly contribute nothing to where they work?
Where you LIVE - that's where you "contribute"?
If you think Vaughan and Markham are "cornfields," especially the areas where the subways are going, you're mistaken.
The people who live in Vaughan but who are opposing intensification at VMC are living in the same fantasy world as the people who think Yonge and Hwy. 7 is a cornfield. It's about as absurd as someone liviing in Manhattan arguing there shouldn't be subways in Queens. Try looking at a satellite picture of Toronto without the borders drawn in and then try to pretend your artificial construct actually exists. Downtown isn't the only urban centre and the "suburbs" aren't entirely detached homes anymore; cities are dynamic, not static.
Usually I'm amazed at the depth of knowledge on these boards on a wide range of urban issues. Every now and then, however, I'm stunned by the lack of understanding people have of what the GTA looks like in 2011 and the relationships, even on a general level, between economic development, urban development and transit.
That line's ridership is quite decent when you compare it to other subway line around the world. TTC's standards are far from being universal. The Blue line in Montreal is far from being a failure because they never stopped adding stations in the 80's and now they plan to extend it to the East. Nowhere in the media will you here that people disagree or it's not justified. That line used to close at 11pm and have only 3 cars.
When you compare Sheppard Avenue East to Jean-Talon st./Edouard-Monpetit blvd and Queen-Mary Road, the growth on Sheppard surpasses by far what happened in Montreal. It is quite remarquable
I think you're the one living in the dream world here. York Region needs to spend money to bring their local bus services up to a level approaching the TTC before they worry their little selves about HRT. After that, they can pony up the property taxes needed to support the operating and capital budget too.
. When i actually first saw you write Yprk is building a subway I thought I must have seen missed something. York Region is not building that subway , its the TTc (Toronto). The provincial government is providing some funding and the only reason this Sabora Line is going into Vaughan is just that - political and benefitting Sabora's developer friends who must have donated who knows how much money to Sabora. You actually think if the TTC had no outside influence they would actually extend the line to Vaughan or even past Wilson? The TTC started to loose money when they were mandated to provide service to the inner suburbs from the old Metro level government that existed in Toronto.York Region is building BRT on Yonge Street and Hwy 7 as we speak and they've completed the EA on a new subway that's virtually shovel ready while Toronto is dicking around with fake subway lines t.
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