dowlingm
Senior Member
Ridiculous though that TTC refer to a five year program as a "pilot". It's either "in production" by now or it ain't. Not to mention them giving up on all door boarding/Proof of Payment on Queen.
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nfitz
Superstar
Five? They start year nine of the pilot in July.
smallspy
Senior Member
Really? Since when? They little green stickers that they keep putting back on the repainted cars aren't correct?
Dan
Toronto, Ont.
nfitz
Superstar
They haven't given up on this. dowlingm is incorrect.
DSC
Superstar
The City is looking at widening the underpass. (Of course, not bridge. Thanks Lemur!)
Request for Proposal Call number: 9118-13-7167
Commodity: Professional Services, Consulting Services
Description: St. Clair Avenue West Railway Underpass Structure and Road Improvements Functional Planning Study
The purpose of this Request for Proposal (RFP) is to select a qualified professional transportation engineering consultant team to complete a transportation planning study to develop, identify, and evaluate short-term and long-term alternative options to address the traffic operations and safety conditions along St. Clair Avenue West between Keele Street and Old Weston Road. St. Clair Avenue in this location passes under the GO Weston Subdivision (Kitchener Line) and CP Mactier Subdivision rail corridor, and general traffic lanes are reduced to one in each direction. The underpass is shared with dedicated streetcar tracks, one set in each direction.
The study will scope and assess all alternatives to improve traffic conditions on St. Clair Avenue West within the study area, including local intersection improvements, alternative road connections, utilization of the TTC right-of-way by automobile traffic, and widening of the St. Clair Avenue rail underpass. Each alternative is to be investigated to a Functional Planning level of detail. The Vendor will also be required to identify all associated costs and implementation issues and constraints.
The study will yield a Functional Planning Report (FPR) which will form the basis for a subsequent Environmental Assessment study of feasible infrastructure improvements.
A total fee (including $15,000 client contingency and HST) in the range of $300,000 - $350,000 has been estimated for this work. Please note that this amount is only an approximation and does not reflect the total amount that will be paid to any selected consultant. This amount is for information only and should not form the basis of any submission.
Issue date: June 7, 2013 Closing date: June 27, 2013
at 12:00 Noon
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9118-13-7167 Viewing Copy.pdf (605 Kbytes) - Posted on 06/07/2013 11:17:30 AM
Request for Proposal Call number: 9118-13-7167
Commodity: Professional Services, Consulting Services
Description: St. Clair Avenue West Railway Underpass Structure and Road Improvements Functional Planning Study
The purpose of this Request for Proposal (RFP) is to select a qualified professional transportation engineering consultant team to complete a transportation planning study to develop, identify, and evaluate short-term and long-term alternative options to address the traffic operations and safety conditions along St. Clair Avenue West between Keele Street and Old Weston Road. St. Clair Avenue in this location passes under the GO Weston Subdivision (Kitchener Line) and CP Mactier Subdivision rail corridor, and general traffic lanes are reduced to one in each direction. The underpass is shared with dedicated streetcar tracks, one set in each direction.
The study will scope and assess all alternatives to improve traffic conditions on St. Clair Avenue West within the study area, including local intersection improvements, alternative road connections, utilization of the TTC right-of-way by automobile traffic, and widening of the St. Clair Avenue rail underpass. Each alternative is to be investigated to a Functional Planning level of detail. The Vendor will also be required to identify all associated costs and implementation issues and constraints.
The study will yield a Functional Planning Report (FPR) which will form the basis for a subsequent Environmental Assessment study of feasible infrastructure improvements.
A total fee (including $15,000 client contingency and HST) in the range of $300,000 - $350,000 has been estimated for this work. Please note that this amount is only an approximation and does not reflect the total amount that will be paid to any selected consultant. This amount is for information only and should not form the basis of any submission.
Issue date: June 7, 2013 Closing date: June 27, 2013
at 12:00 Noon
Notes: Viewing Copy
9118-13-7167 Viewing Copy.pdf (605 Kbytes) - Posted on 06/07/2013 11:17:30 AM
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the lemur
Senior Member
The underpass, not the bridge. The bridge belongs to CP and they're probably not inclined to change anything about it.
I think we should be looking at diverting St Clair south of its current alignment under the tracks in the process of widening it - there are large vacant lots east and west of the tracks that could accommodate it.
spider
Senior Member
How do you widen the underpass (roadway) without lengthening the bridge?
nfitz
Superstar
You could make thinner support columns.
Though I assume in this case they would replace the bridge, making it longer. But not necessarily wider.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
Put the sidewalks into tubes on the sides (like they have on Dufferin St. just north of Eglinton Ave. W.) and then widen the roads by taking over the sidewalks?
junctionist
Senior Member
They should replace the bridge entirely. It looks so dilapidated, like a lot of railway bridges in the old city of Toronto--particularly the metal ones. The suburban bridges tend to look better simply because they're 50 years younger. The government should set standards for the appearance of these bridges in addition to their structural integrity. The metal railway bridges would look great if painted, like the orange bridges reused for the West Toronto Railpath.
Bamako
New Member
Is there any serious plan to extend the 512 and run it along Dundas to Kipling/427, possibly with an extended 505? It's basically an extraordinarily cheap way to get a second crosstown.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
Bridges and underpasses built in the 1960's and on seem to have a more gentle incline, resulting in longer approaches. As well, instead of two traffic lanes in each direction, they are usually built with three traffic lanes in each direction, even if they end up not using them all. Underpasses and overpasses in the older more built up areas did not "waste" such extra land use, because of the surrounding areas were already sold off and it would cost a pretty penny to get a hold of these days.
Rainforest
Senior Member
I don't think it is a good idea. There is no R.O.W. available between Jane and Kipling. It will have to run in mixed traffic half of the way, will take about an hour to get from Yonge to Kipling, and the reliability of the St Clair R.O.W. section will suffer.
The 512 route Yonge to Kipling will not be able to play a crosstown role because of its low speed. I do not think a lot of riders use 501 streetcar to travel across the town.
However, extending 512 just to Jane makes sense, as it would improve the connectivity and simplify the bus network in the area.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
I would like the 512 loop at Jane, Dundas, Scarlett Road, and back onto St. Clair. However, they first would have to actually rebuild the railway underpass at Scarlett and Dundas. The environmental assessment was completed in 2004, and I'm still waiting for the first measurements to start.
BurlOak
Senior Member
The current sidewalks are probably about 2m wide. So the best you you could do is get bike lanes put in.
If they wanted to replace the bridge, it should have been done in conjunction with the rail corridor expansion. It looks like we missed the boat on this one.