micheal_can
Senior Member
That would be #3. Good try though.I think I fall into #5:
5) They are annoyed by people who keep encouraging internet trolls from Sudbury by jumping over every single stick he‘s holding for them…
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That would be #3. Good try though.I think I fall into #5:
5) They are annoyed by people who keep encouraging internet trolls from Sudbury by jumping over every single stick he‘s holding for them…
You are proposing this for VIA? Firstly, whatever system VIA uses for booking and fare management would have to be compatible across their system, or they would have to have different systems depending of the need and facilities of their various routes. What works in Kingston won't likely work in Gillam.
Do you (and others) propose to hire fare inspectors or load this onto the existing and, form what I have heard, limited on-board staff? On-board fare inspectors on GO aren't part of the operating crew, and can cover multiple trains in one shift. I'm not sure how that could be managed even in corridor service.
This is the very truth of everything. Via is beholden to the government.Even if VIA wanted to do such a thing, it would need legislation. GO offences are enabled by the Metrolinx Act, and enforcement personnel are designated as Provincial Offences Officers. I haven't researched it, but it seems any fare offences in VIA would have to be created under the Railways Safety Act. Enforcement personnel would have to be somehow empowered to enforce the Act. Currently, I believe the only people who can do that are police constables appointed under the Act ('Railway Police'). There is no authority for VIA to appoint enforcement personnel since VIA has no enabling legislation. Once you create a public-facing enforcement service, you create the need for specific HR, training, court liaison (across many jurisdictions), supervision, and on and on.
All quite do-able of course, provided Parliament is up for it, but outside of VIA's wheelhouse.
Well just to focus on the Netherlands since I commuted on NS for several years, you tap in and out just like on the GO train. It does not matter what type of train you use to get there, it could be a commuter train (Sprinter) or an Intercity train. It can even be an Intercity Express / Direct train if you pay a €2.60 surcharge.I would love to hear examples for what services you are exactly comparing and why you think they operate with „exactly the same service model“ for the purposes of this discussion here…
So countries that are the size of the GTA where their "intercity" trains are closer to regional trains in real-life application.The Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, some railways in Japan
Ottawa to Montreal is less than 200 km and the train takes 2 hours. Like Paige pointed out, that travel time is shorter than some GO Transit services.So countries that are the size of the GTA where their "intercity" trains are closer to regional trains in real-life application.
So countries that are the size of the GTA where their "intercity" trains are closer to regional trains in real-life application.
Ottawa to Montreal is less than 200 km and the train takes 2 hours. Like Paige pointed out, that travel time is shorter than some GO Transit services.
Actually, the tranche of Dutch trains that are branded "Intercity" is almost exactly what we have been talking about with Vanilla HFR. Maybe if they added cart service....we'd be there.
- Paul
Ottawa to Montreal isn't a service by itself though. It's part of a system. One could argue Toronto-London or Toronto-Kingston are also regional services. But they aren't distinct services from the rest of the Corridor.
I agree that HFR would run differently from today. Not sure, it's a good idea to run them exactly like GO. Especially since GO is evolving to RER with 15 min departures.
An update on this point: nearly the entire NS fleet now consists of EMUs, including the vast majority of Intercity trains. The only remaining domestic locomotive sets are the 2x Bombardier Traxx + 7-9x single-deck coache sets used on some Intercity Direct services from Amsterdam to Brussels, and Den Haag to Eindhoven. Those sets are already being replaced by new Alstom Corradia Stream "ICNG" EMUs, which should fully replace them within the next year or two. Then the only remaining locomotives in the NS's fleet will be the Siemens Vectron electric locomotives used to pull foreign coaches on international services (DB Intercity, ÖBB/SBB Nightjet).The Dutch intercity trainsets are electric loco on each end with conventionalish cars in between. High platform and electric doors, roughly 8-12 cars in a trainset. Get yourself on and off. Doors will close when the chime sounds. 100 mph ish between major cities only. Tap on and off at the turnstiles. I think I recall cursory ticket inspection on board.
Having to change a train doesn't make a distinct service. When you change trains at Yonge-Bloor, you're still on the TTC.They are branded as one service, but they are distinct. How? Well, try to go from Windsor to Quebec city without getting off the train.
Having to change trains at Union an Central Station so that you can go Vancouver - Halifax... You are still on Via, but different lines. Now, if we go back to the interlining days,I'd agree.Having to change a train doesn't make a distinct service. When you change trains at Yonge-Bloor, you're still on the TTC.
The point I was making was more, a high frequency service doesn't necessarily have to have reserved seats and a lot of access control.
the Dutch first class is only marginally nicer inside than coach.
I really would like to see some platform reconfiguration.
Your VIA services are interlined. It's all on one itinerary. But it's different services. It's not like you can book the same sleeper service from one end of Canada to the other. When you change between one subway line to another, you're still getting the same level of service.Having to change trains at Union an Central Station so that you can go Vancouver - Halifax... You are still on Via, but different lines. Now, if we go back to the interlining days,I'd agree.
I get what you mean.Your VIA services are interlined. It's all on one itinerary. But it's different services. It's not like you can book the same sleeper service from one end of Canada to the other. When you change between one subway line to another, you're still getting the same level of service.