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^Obviously an unattractive ride, but one has to give credit….. an airline with that kind of scenario would simply have cancelled the flight and rebooked the passengers for next day. VIA got its customers to their destination.

- Paul
Or worse.

I've been on a flight that took us to a different airport than we had been originally destined to. Thankfully, the airline handled transportation back to our original destination, but I've heard of horror stories where airlines have dropped off the passengers, threw up their hands and said "best of luck!"

Dan
 
One person on the Ottawa board expressed frustration that after struggling to get to the Via station, the last Toronto bound train was cancelled on Wednesday. Perhaps, there were no trains available in Ottawa to make the run.
 
Or worse.

I've been on a flight that took us to a different airport than we had been originally destined to. Thankfully, the airline handled transportation back to our original destination, but I've heard of horror stories where airlines have dropped off the passengers, threw up their hands and said "best of luck!"

Dan
It happens all the time. Sunwing did it only a few months ago to hundreds of people. Southwest did it last year to thousands of people. An airline can basically cancel your flight with zero obligation to help you.
 
I rode train 645 (Ottawa-Toronto) yesterday, and although they announced that they expected delays due to remaining switch and signal issues from the ice storm, most of the delays we experienced seemed routine in nature.

On the VIA segment (Ottawa-Brockville), we got delayed by about 15 minutes total, waiting for 2 VIA trains to pass in the opposite direction on the single tracked line

On the CN segment (Brockville-Pickering), we got slightly delayed a few times due to switching track for no apparent reason (we'd switch to the left track, then later back to the right, without ever encountering a train in the opposite direction). Maybe these were due to the aforementioned switch or signal issues. But the net delay was relatively minor, maybe a few minutes.

The GO segment was where we really got screwed over. We were running behind a GO train, and at Guildwood where the line widens to 3 tracks we took the express track and the GO took the local track. We overtook the GO train just as it was pulling out of Scarborough, well before the bottleneck where the line reduces to 2 tracks due to Ontario Line construction:

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At this point we were 35 minutes late and the GO train was about 2 minutes late.

Metrolinx dispatching had two options. If they let us go first, we would reach Danforth station about 30 seconds to a minute earlier than the GO train. By the time the GO train finished loading passengers at Danforth, the VIA train would have cleared the jnction and the GO train would get a signal to proceed within a few seconds of closing the doors. We were travelling a lot faster than the GO train would, so by the time the GO train made it through the switches we would be long gone and it would be able to accelerate up its normal speed.
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But instead, they chose to line the GO train through first, so we had to sit in Danforth station for 5 minutes waiting for that train to catch up to us, then load passengers, then switch through the junction, then clear the tracks ahead of us, and of course since we were now right behind a slow-moving train, we couldn't travel at full speed.
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To make matters worse, VIA train 79 (Toronto-Windsor) was holding for us at Union station so passengers could make the connection, meaning that the delay to our train continued to spread throughout the VIA, GO and CN networks. And because we were occupying the express track (without any benefit), an eastbound VIA train got stuck behind a GO local train all the way from Union to Pickering.

This is far from the first time I've seen this type of hostile dispatching from GO towards VIA.

On Metrolinx-owned tracks, GO trains always get priority, because they're the ones whose on-time performance is a performance metric for dispatchers.

But from the perspective of the general public it is absolutely outrageous that one publicly-funded passenger rail agency is sabotaging the operations of another publicly-funded passenger rail agency. We need to demand that Metrolinx dispatch trains in a way which produces the best outcome for the public and rail network overall, not just their own micromanagement objectives.
 
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On the CN segment (Brockville-Pickering), we got slightly delayed a few times due to switching track for no apparent reason (we'd switch to the left track, then later back to the right, without ever encountering a train in the opposite direction). Maybe these were due to the aforementioned switch or signal issues. But the net delay was relatively minor, maybe a few minutes.

Possibly because track workers had authority over that section of track for inspection or maintenance - or even because it had a temporary slow order that would have been even more of a delay.

The GO segment was where we really got screwed over. We were running behind a GO train, and at Guildwood where the line widens to 3 tracks we took the express track and the GO took the local track. We overtook the GO train just as it was pulling out of Scarborough, well before the bottleneck where the line reduces to 2 tracks due to Ontario Line

In this respect, there is no difference between VIA running on ML versus running on CN or CP. They are the tenant and are treated as such.

The ML preference to run GO trains ahead of VIA is well known by both VIA staff and GO staff..... and it's the result of the same dynamic.

Easily corrected - if anyone in Ottawa cared.

- Paul
 
In this respect, there is no difference between VIA running on ML versus running on CN or CP. They are the tenant and are treated as such.

The ML preference to run GO trains ahead of VIA is well known by both VIA staff and GO staff..... and it's the result of the same dynamic.

Easily corrected - if anyone in Ottawa cared.

- Paul
Further to this.....

The training that the Metrolinx RTCs is similar to what the RTCs at other railways receive, but they are also taught not to think too far outside the box, and to defer to "The Grid" - the master schedule of which trains on which tracks and at which times - when it comes time to slotting the trains into their slots. And of course, The Grid always prioritizes GO's own trains.

There are a couple of RTCs there who have come from CN or are capable of thinking on their feet who will make more logical choices out there, but they seem to be few and far in between.

Dan
 
We have a front page story up here regarding remarks Rob Pritchard recently made at a Board of Trade Transportation Symposium discussing visions for High Frequency Rail in the Toronto-Quenec City corridor.

…reminding everyone that they actually have an RFQ out there now, as of February, to advance this with private sector partners.

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Don’t think anyone has posted it here but TVO have dropped their 3 hour documentary on the VIA185 (Sudbury-White River). My grateful thanks to whoever decided to let the sounds - ambient and radio - speak for themselves and restrict to text-only narration, and a small number of short 3D animations to show historical scenes. There is a short section of winter running at the 2 hour mark. Consist is shown as 6217/6250 but clearly this was the product of at least three runs - especially when 6219 shows up in the middle of the consist periodically. There are a couple of references to being the only Budd (RDC) service extant - has Portland WES retired theirs?

 
Don’t think anyone has posted it here but TVO have dropped their 3 hour documentary on the VIA185 (Sudbury-White River). My grateful thanks to whoever decided to let the sounds - ambient and radio - speak for themselves and restrict to text-only narration, and a small number of short 3D animations to show historical scenes. There is a short section of winter running at the 2 hour mark. Consist is shown as 6217/6250 but clearly this was the product of at least three runs - especially when 6219 shows up in the middle of the consist periodically. There are a couple of references to being the only Budd (RDC) service extant - has Portland WES retired theirs?

What an amazing video, really unfortunate that there isn’t more of these in Canada still.
 
There are a couple of references to being the only Budd (RDC) service extant - has Portland WES retired theirs?
WES' units are only used on an emergency basis when enough of the Colorado Railcar DMUs aren't operable. I'm not even sure that they've operated since before COVID.

There are also the All-Earth Rail units in Vermont, but we're still waiting to see what kind of service those may be used for - if any.

Dan
 
Don’t think anyone has posted it here but TVO have dropped their 3 hour documentary on the VIA185 (Sudbury-White River). My grateful thanks to whoever decided to let the sounds - ambient and radio - speak for themselves and restrict to text-only narration, and a small number of short 3D animations to show historical scenes. There is a short section of winter running at the 2 hour mark. Consist is shown as 6217/6250 but clearly this was the product of at least three runs - especially when 6219 shows up in the middle of the consist periodically. There are a couple of references to being the only Budd (RDC) service extant - has Portland WES retired theirs?

This is great. TVO has already covered water routes (Bruce, Niagara, Rideau) and this rail run is wonderful.

TVO should start planning now for a "Tripping The Northlander" to launch their next documentary for when The Northlander returns in 2024(?).
 

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