micheal_can
Senior Member
Over on the Pickering Airport,I had mentioned that an easy way to open up slots in Pearson to avoid needed a second GTA airport is HSR.
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Over on the Pickering Airport,I had mentioned that an easy way to open up slots in Pearson to avoid needed a second GTA airport is HSR.
cplchanb
Senior Member
The feds should do what france did and ban short domestic flights. that would stimulate a rise in rail traffic.
micheal_can
Senior Member
With how our railways are, that would not work. Look at the mess with CN and Via.
crs1026
Superstar
France did that after they built TGV. Doing that today in Canada would simply be punitive, and create needless backlash. Down the road, certainly, but not now.
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micheal_can
Senior Member
So, do it after the HSR is built in Canada? That would make sense to me.
kEiThZ
Superstar
I mean, AC is part of Cadence. So presumably, air-rail integration is on the table.
ownthesky
New Member
If VIA HFR hypothetically falls through with political upheaval next year, do you folks think that the current momentum could be captured by a scaled down VIA upgrade in the existing corridor or will we be locked out of decent rail for another generation? Is there any room in our Quebec-Ontario politics to just make Ottawa-Montreal great, with straightening and grade separation, for example?
I’ve been rewatching that classic Paige Saunders YouTube video about a good Ottawa-Montreal link, I’m sure you’ve all seen it, and I really hope something like that could be a fallback position.
I’ve been rewatching that classic Paige Saunders YouTube video about a good Ottawa-Montreal link, I’m sure you’ve all seen it, and I really hope something like that could be a fallback position.
kEiThZ
Superstar
That dumb Ottawa bypass idea again....
Urban Sky
Senior Member
… for Air Canada, at least.
Urban Sky
Senior Member
Montreal-Ottawa would have been the first Segment anyways and will always be the easiest first step.
I wrote my Bechelor Thesis about such an improved link and the need to scale down our ambitions to get anything built:
Two graphs which might explain why Canada still has no High-Speed Rail
Whenever I mention that I have written my Bachelor Thesis about High-Speed Rail (HSR) in Canada, Canadians usually ask me how it is possible that Canada is about the only rich industrialized country left without any fast passenger train service (which for our purposes shall be defined as a maximum s
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kEiThZ
Superstar
I am actually willing to bet if HxR actually gets to the build stage, we'll see Ottawa-Montreal as Phase 1 and the place to test all their rolling stock.
ownthesky
New Member
Excuse my ignorance but what is being bypassed? Is that VIA-owned track not a large part of the current existing VIA route between Ottawa and Montreal (with the exception of the CN section as the train enters the metro area)? Isn't the HFR plan itself a massive bypass of the entire Ontario corridor?
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Urban Sky
Senior Member
No, it’s not: it’s the consolidation of all primary (“end-to-end”) markets into a single Corridor (by merging Montreal-Ottawa, Montreal-Toronto and Ottawa-Toronto trains into a single Montreal-Ottawa-Toronto Corridor), so that the Lakeshore communities can be served by trains focusing on their local needs, i.e., frequent stops in their communities rather than having most trains pass through them. The needs of these secondary (i.e., Montreal, Ottawa and Toronto to any city which isn’t Montreal, Ottawa and Toronto) or tertiary markets (i.e., between any two cities which are neither Montreal nor Ottawa nor Toronto) are inherently incompatible with those of the primary markets and that’s why they are best served by different services and routes…
nfitz
Superstar
At one point, VIA printed a proposed map that in addition to using the existing VIA Rail-owned corridors from Smith Falls and Coteau to Ottawa, that the (presumably Toronto to Montreal) service could also skip Ottawa and use on more southerly CP Winchester Sub through Chesterville, Monkland, and Apple Hill.
A map like that hasn't appeared since, and those here who say they are in the loop keep denying that this is happening (though how they'd know what the presumably six alignments in the three bids contained I don't know).
(I think a better option would be to reacquire the portions of the very straight M&O Sub that they unfortunately VIA recently sold, from Ottawa to Rigaud via Vankleek Hill and Plantagenet. This should be faster than VIA's existing Alexandria sub - especially east of Casselman)
Urban Sky
Senior Member
It’s important to not conflate “VIA Rail Canada Inc.” (“VIA Rail”) with “VIA HFR-TGF Inc.” (“VIA HFR-TGF”), as I’m very confident that VIA Rail has never publicly considered using the Winchester Subdivision as Ottawa Bypass…