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To my mind, VIA need to choose between reducing their Siemens fleet consist count and reducing their customer base by an amount it will take years to get back. Start with a few L-2B-4E-L consists (no cabs) to ensure max speed and reliability on highest revenue diagrams, and go from there.
 
dowlingm said:
To my mind, VIA need to choose between reducing their Siemens fleet consist count and reducing their customer base by an amount it will take years to get back. Start with a few L-2B-4E-L consists (no cabs) to ensure max speed and reliability on highest revenue diagrams, and go from there.
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My thinking is keep the legacy fleet going as long as they can.Take the existing Siemens fleet and reconfigure them to be long enough to meet the CN requirements. Then order more of the coaches to make up the rest of the fleet.
 
Today, for the first time, VIA is trying to meet CN's imposed minimum train-length requirement for its new Siemens Venture trainsets by augmenting a test set with the addition of two cars. Total transit length is eight: VIA train No 631 is operating today from Montreal-Ottawa with one each Economy Class* and Business Class** cars from Set 7 added to Set 12. Consist: Cab car 2311-Economy Class cars 2811-2911-2906*- Business Class cars 2706**-2711-2611- locomotive 2211.
Despite VIA's position against operating 'doublavay' Venture J-trains and/or augmenting trainsets, VIA has now tested both. If the latter is successful, it could fill a stop-gap measure as VIA continues to wait for a court ruling to remove CN's requirement (in process in Ontario then Quebec since late-2024, or a Transport Canada decision (data submitted by CN in January, 2025).
This seemed like an obvious option once the October, 2024 speed reductions became oppressively omnipresent at over 300 crossings in the Quebec City-Windsor Corridor, yet it has taken nearly eight months for VIA to test this option today.
With 29 trainsets on the property, and three out-of-service, 15 of the remaining 26 trainsets are in daily rotation, with another 11 sets undergoing maintenance or out-of-rotation. VIA has not moved beyond having 15 sets in daily use. Therefore, 11 sets are not in daily use. If only three of these gave up four cars each for the augmented consists, that would make six 32-axle stop-gap trainsets!
In the meantime, VIA's Venture-equipped Corridor trains continue to operate 15-60 minutes late due to CN's actions and VIA's inactions, and passengers are finding other travel options that actually suit their plans and meet posted schedules.
 
Trackside_Treasure said:
Today, for the first time, VIA is trying to meet CN's imposed minimum train-length requirement for its new Siemens Venture trainsets by augmenting a test set with the addition of two cars. Total transit length is eight: VIA train No 631 is operating today from Montreal-Ottawa with one each Economy Class* and Business Class** cars from Set 7 added to Set 12. Consist: Cab car 2311-Economy Class cars 2811-2911-2906*- Business Class cars 2706**-2711-2611- locomotive 2211.
Despite VIA's position against operating 'doublavay' Venture J-trains and/or augmenting trainsets, VIA has now tested both. If the latter is successful, it could fill a stop-gap measure as VIA continues to wait for a court ruling to remove CN's requirement (in process in Ontario then Quebec since late-2024, or a Transport Canada decision (data submitted by CN in January, 2025).
This seemed like an obvious option once the October, 2024 speed reductions became oppressively omnipresent at over 300 crossings in the Quebec City-Windsor Corridor, yet it has taken nearly eight months for VIA to test this option today.
With 29 trainsets on the property, and three out-of-service, 15 of the remaining 26 trainsets are in daily rotation, with another 11 sets undergoing maintenance or out-of-rotation. VIA has not moved beyond having 15 sets in daily use. Therefore, 11 sets are not in daily use. If only three of these gave up four cars each for the augmented consists, that would make six 32-axle stop-gap trainsets!
In the meantime, VIA's Venture-equipped Corridor trains continue to operate 15-60 minutes late due to CN's actions and VIA's inactions, and passengers are finding other travel options that actually suit their plans and meet posted schedules.
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If this works, Via should order more cars for the cannibalized sets. It is time the game ends.
 
Trackside_Treasure said:
Today, for the first time, VIA is trying to meet CN's imposed minimum train-length requirement for its new Siemens Venture trainsets by augmenting a test set with the addition of two cars. Total transit length is eight: VIA train No 631 is operating today from Montreal-Ottawa with one each Economy Class* and Business Class** cars from Set 7 added to Set 12. Consist: Cab car 2311-Economy Class cars 2811-2911-2906*- Business Class cars 2706**-2711-2611- locomotive 2211.
Despite VIA's position against operating 'doublavay' Venture J-trains and/or augmenting trainsets, VIA has now tested both. If the latter is successful, it could fill a stop-gap measure as VIA continues to wait for a court ruling to remove CN's requirement (in process in Ontario then Quebec since late-2024, or a Transport Canada decision (data submitted by CN in January, 2025).
This seemed like an obvious option once the October, 2024 speed reductions became oppressively omnipresent at over 300 crossings in the Quebec City-Windsor Corridor, yet it has taken nearly eight months for VIA to test this option today.
With 29 trainsets on the property, and three out-of-service, 15 of the remaining 26 trainsets are in daily rotation, with another 11 sets undergoing maintenance or out-of-rotation. VIA has not moved beyond having 15 sets in daily use. Therefore, 11 sets are not in daily use. If only three of these gave up four cars each for the augmented consists, that would make six 32-axle stop-gap trainsets!
In the meantime, VIA's Venture-equipped Corridor trains continue to operate 15-60 minutes late due to CN's actions and VIA's inactions, and passengers are finding other travel options that actually suit their plans and meet posted schedules.
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So i predicted correctly. 🤔 Hopefully that will be able can fill these seats instead of running empty cars
 
cplchanb said:
Well... it could be part of the nation building projects proposal along with the new long distance trains
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Again, unless I'm completely mis-reading the government's view of 'nation building', I'm not sure it's on the same level as energy corridors international trade and national security.
 
lenaitch said:
Re-phrase that as 'the federal government should fund Via to buy more cars' and it will be closer to reality.
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Sure...Yes, lets see the federal government properly fund the Corridor replacement fleet so that it has the trains it needs.

cplchanb said:
Well... it could be part of the nation building projects proposal along with the new long distance trains
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Would be nice if the proper funding for the necessary Corridor replacement fleet, the long distance fleet, and ALTO can be folded into it.

lenaitch said:
Again, unless I'm completely mis-reading the government's view of 'nation building', I'm not sure it's on the same level as energy corridors international trade and national security.
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It would be a stretch, but it might be able to fall under one of those.
 
micheal_can said:
Sure...Yes, lets see the federal government properly fund the Corridor replacement fleet so that it has the trains it needs.



Would be nice if the proper funding for the necessary Corridor replacement fleet, the long distance fleet, and ALTO can be folded into it.


It would be a stretch, but it might be able to fall under one of those.
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Technically the long distance fleet is required federally to continually serve remote communities so there could be an argument that its an essential piece of infrastructure too.
 
cplchanb said:
Technically the long distance fleet is required federally to continually serve remote communities so there could be an argument that its an essential piece of infrastructure too.
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The thing is, none of those 3 things would be a clear place to put it under.
 
Trackside_Treasure said:
Today, for the first time, VIA is trying to meet CN's imposed minimum train-length requirement for its new Siemens Venture trainsets by augmenting a test set with the addition of two cars. Total transit length is eight: VIA train No 631 is operating today from Montreal-Ottawa with one each Economy Class* and Business Class** cars from Set 7 added to Set 12. Consist: Cab car 2311-Economy Class cars 2811-2911-2906*- Business Class cars 2706**-2711-2611- locomotive 2211.
Despite VIA's position against operating 'doublavay' Venture J-trains and/or augmenting trainsets, VIA has now tested both. If the latter is successful, it could fill a stop-gap measure as VIA continues to wait for a court ruling to remove CN's requirement (in process in Ontario then Quebec since late-2024, or a Transport Canada decision (data submitted by CN in January, 2025).
This seemed like an obvious option once the October, 2024 speed reductions became oppressively omnipresent at over 300 crossings in the Quebec City-Windsor Corridor, yet it has taken nearly eight months for VIA to test this option today.
With 29 trainsets on the property, and three out-of-service, 15 of the remaining 26 trainsets are in daily rotation, with another 11 sets undergoing maintenance or out-of-rotation. VIA has not moved beyond having 15 sets in daily use. Therefore, 11 sets are not in daily use. If only three of these gave up four cars each for the augmented consists, that would make six 32-axle stop-gap trainsets!
In the meantime, VIA's Venture-equipped Corridor trains continue to operate 15-60 minutes late due to CN's actions and VIA's inactions, and passengers are finding other travel options that actually suit their plans and meet posted schedules.
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So given the current situation with the legacy corridor fleet this is not sustainable.

The LRC's are on the verge of falling apart, the P42's need major work done to keep them running and the HEP fleet is stretched thin.

If the Locomotives are preventing trains from entering service you might as well take those idle coaches and increase the axle count and carry more passengers. It's not that hard to Marshall them together.
 
While I actually think this is great that VIA might be forced to run larger trains, it really will only make sense on the corridor from Windsor to Quebec City along the CN mainline.

Running an 8 car train on the Sarnia train will be a huge waste of resources, currently they barely fill a 3 car train.

They will definitely have to find an alternative solution there.
 
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