Northern Light
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As you know, but for others, this was due in March.............one month slippage is bad.....but two?
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As you know, but for others, this was due in March.............one month slippage is bad.....but two?
DSCToronto
Superstar
I assume the arrival of Federal $$$ did change things and March might have been too soon but I really had hoped they would get their Report to the April Executive Committee and Council.
Jeff Morgan
Active Member
Does anybody have insight into why this was delayed? The funding commitment will surely have impact over the coming months, but it would still be great to keep council and the public updated on the current state of planning.
DSCToronto
Superstar
There are probably two possible reasons:
1. The funds just received from the Feds will allow things to ''get going' and the Report was delayed until May so it could be more up-to-date OR
2. The TTC and other Staff were slower than planned in writing it.
Jeff Morgan
Active Member
Let's hope it's the first.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
we both know it's not.
drum118
Superstar
Jeff Morgan
Active Member
This video is 3 years old. Do you have any updates?
nfitz
Superstar
Before anyone else wastes their time opening that link, I'll note that it's over 3-years old! Nothing new - and no context why it's been posted at this time.
ssiguy2
Senior Member
Portland has recently approved it's Montgomery Streetcar route. It is a 2.1 km extension of a current line with a small road loop like the WLRT will have in the Portlands. It is going to a once industrial area that is being renewed with residential much like the Portlands and Portland, like Toronto, already has an established streetcar system. It's estimated cost will be $140 to $170 million and construction will begin in 2027. This price includes any underground infrastructure changes, new vehicle acquisitions, street beautification, bike lanes etc. Putting aside the Cherry Street tunnel and Union connection, the analogy is a good one. This of course begs the question, where is this $3 billion going? If the Union connection turn-around is a so expensive then they should simply use bi-directional trains and save themselves a fortune and a lot of time.
I would also very much like to note that Portland's new vehicles will be hybrid ones.........they will be able to run on both catenary and batteries. NONE of the new 2.1 km route will have any catenary but be 100% battery and there will be no recharging station as the extension is just 2 km so when plying on the already electrified route, they re-charge along the way. This is a first for Portland and is part of their new commitment of eventually making all of their trains hybrid as they are slowly replaced. They sighted the initial cost and time savings of not having to put up the catenary infrastructure, much lower maintenance costs, more resiliency to adverse weather, and the reduction in the visual pollution that wires/poles create.
I would also very much like to note that Portland's new vehicles will be hybrid ones.........they will be able to run on both catenary and batteries. NONE of the new 2.1 km route will have any catenary but be 100% battery and there will be no recharging station as the extension is just 2 km so when plying on the already electrified route, they re-charge along the way. This is a first for Portland and is part of their new commitment of eventually making all of their trains hybrid as they are slowly replaced. They sighted the initial cost and time savings of not having to put up the catenary infrastructure, much lower maintenance costs, more resiliency to adverse weather, and the reduction in the visual pollution that wires/poles create.
Van647
New Member
They are filling in the lake at Yonge St and creating a new public space along with realigning entrance to the hotel there .. necessitate by the storm water outlet on Yonge St.
As for the Union Station street car station expansion ... the current space is very small, and already the lines of passengers for street car back up on to the subway Yonge Line 1 platform, bi directional car won't help
Currently Union Station already handles 2 routes: 509 - Exhibition , 510 - Spadina , and it really can't handle 2 street cars together, add another east waterfront line in the mix .. and a recipe for chaos, stampede
Even St Clair W & Spadina Stations have more spacious street car platform than Union, and those only serve one street car route, with lower passenger volumes.
A better solution would be not terminate at Union (and off load all passengers here) ..but extend the street car line underneath Bay St to City hall and make a loop there instead to meet Ontario line, with an intermediate stop at King St.
This will better distribute passenger load among the 2 lines from the streetcar and relieve the overcrowding of the subway Line 1 in the downtown core.
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centralblue
New Member
The challenge with that is you would need to lower the street car tracks to go under the subway, plus all the extra tunnelling to get up to city hall. I think the expansion of the union station terminus would be the more cost effective solution. Love the idea, just do not think it is feasible.
Northern Light
Superstar
Reece Martin recently shared his thoughts on the WELRT on his substack. He expressed mixed feelings over what he views as its shortcomings.
Over on Reece's B.Sky Steve Munro took some issue with what Reece wrote, noting a less than complete understanding of what has been planned for, what has not, and why phase 1 does what it does.
bsky.app
For now, I'll let UT'ers have a gander and share their thoughts on the exchange.
Over on Reece's B.Sky Steve Munro took some issue with what Reece wrote, noting a less than complete understanding of what has been planned for, what has not, and why phase 1 does what it does.
Reece Martin (@rmtransit.bsky.social)
I have thoughts on the Waterfront East LRT. https://open.substack.com/pub/nextmetro/p/waterfront-east-transit?r=1eh3ax&utm_medium=ios
bsky.app
For now, I'll let UT'ers have a gander and share their thoughts on the exchange.
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Leo_Chan
Senior Member
As stated by others time and time before, there needs to be unconditional funding from the Provincial and Federal governments for transit that can be used for anything the City wants. Toronto City Council can debate how to spend the funding as much as they can, but there needs to be an assumption that funding will be provided from the higher levels of government, doesn't matter if that's for maintenance and service or new capital projects.
xmyth_
Senior Member
If I recall correctly, they pegged an eastern leg extension to the Leslie barns at 30yrs down the road. I remembered that because I read it at the time and went how tf is a straight path down a largely empty industrial road like that going to take 30yrs?