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Height isn't the issue. One can't base this off a few renderings, of course, but a sea of plate glass and grey panels and concrete could really damage the vision of the WDL plan, which is practically perfect...almost lovingly crafted. River City might have technically flawless massing and whatnot, but street level materials and detailing can make or break a neighbourhood's character. No one wants to see grey panels and I hope there won't be a single one in the entire WDL (unless, perhaps, they're a very dark charcoal grey).
 
Exactly. The entire railway lands area, waterfront and Cityplace look like somebody took a hose and just sprayed grey concrete everywhere. It's incredibly dreary. Even the trees are encased in concrete as if there was a danger that they might explode into something somehow natural. It's not even the buildings that are the main issue. I even like glass and concrete buildings under certain circumstances. It's the streetscape.
 
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Trouble In River City!

Well, either you're closing your eyes
To a situation you do now wish to acknowledge
Or you are not aware of the caliber of disaster indicated
By the presence of grey cladding panels in your community.
Ya got trouble, my friend, right here,
I say, trouble right here in River City.

The first big step on the road
To the depths of deg-grey-day--
I say, first, concrete blocks,
Then a sea of plate glass.
An' the next thing ya know,
Your son is workin' for money
In an architects office in a pinch-back suit.
And list'nin to some big out-a-town Jasper
Hearin' him tell about grey claddin' panels.
Not wholesome hippy era red brick, no!
But grey panels set down right on the building!

Like to see some stuck-up hipster boy
Sittin' out front of some technically flawless massing?
Make your blood boil?
Well, I should say.
Friends, lemme tell you what I mean.
Ya got one, two, three, four, five, six buildings in West Don Lands.
Buildings that mark the diff'rence
Between a gentlemen and a bum,
With a capital "B,"
And that rhymes with "G" and that stands for grey!

And all week long your River City
Youth'll be frittern away,
I say your young men'll be frittern!
Frittern away their noontime, suppertime, choretime too!
Admiring street level materials and detailing with no red brick,
Never mind gittin' Dandelions pulled
Or the screen door patched or the beefsteak pounded.
Never mind pumpin' any water
'Til your parents are caught with the Cistern empty
On a Saturday night and that's trouble,
Oh, yes we got lots and lots a' trouble.

I'm thinkin' of the kids in the knickerbockers,
Shirt-tail young ones, peekin' at the grey cladding
and the trees in concrete planters after school, look, folks!
Right here in River City.
Trouble with a capital "T"
And that rhymes with "G" and that stands for grey!

Now, I know all you folks are the right kinda parents.
I'm gonna be perfectly frank.
Would ya like to know what kinda conversation goes
On while they're loafin' around West Don Lands?
They're talkin' "Clewes", tryin' out minimalism,
Tryin' out Tailor Mades like Cigarette Feends!
And braggin' all about
How they're gonna cover up a tell-tale breath with Sen-Sen
And all the buildings with concrete and glass and grey claddin'.

One fine night, they leave their sleek, grey-clad pads,
Headin' for the dance at the Arm'ry!
Libertine men and Scarlet women!
And Rag-time, shameless music
That'll grab your son and your daughter
With the arms of a jungle animal instink!
Mass-staria!
Friends, the idle brain is the devil's playground!

People:
Trouble, oh we got trouble,
Right here in River City!
With a capital "T"
That rhymes with "G"
And that stands for Grey.
We've surely got trouble!
Right here in River City,
Right here!
Gotta figger out a way
To keep the young ones moral after school!
Trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble...

Mothers of River City!
Heed the warning before it's too late!
Watch for the tell-tale sign of corruption!
The moment your son leaves the house,
Does he rebuckle his knickerbockers below the knee?
Is there a nicotine stain on his index finger?
A dime novel hidden in the corn crib?
Is he starting to memorize jokes from Capt.
Billy's Whiz Bang?
Are certain words creeping into his conversation?
Words like "neo-Modern?" and "minimalist?"
And "contemporary architecture?"
Well, if so my friends,
Ya got trouble,
Right here in River city!
With a capital "T"
And that rhymes with "G"
And that stands for Grey.

We've surely got trouble!
Right here in River City!
Remember 1 St. Thomas, The Cheddington and the Golden Rule!
Oh, we've got trouble.
We're in terrible, terrible trouble.
That game that architects play is a devil's tool!
Oh yes we got trouble, trouble, trouble!
With a "T"! Gotta rhyme it with "G"!
And that stands for Grey!!!
 
West Don Lands will thrive if built using 76 shades of grey as long as all the condos are bought by Flipper and guys like this:

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OK... here we go!!

With River City launching north of the flyover, and the Pan Am athletes' village going in south of the flyover, in 5 1/2 years West Don Lands will be:

1. Totally built out.

2. A neighbourhood with a huge park.

3. Tons of sports facilities.

4. New rapid transit on Cherry.

5. A totally organic connection with Distillery District as Gooderham will be finished.

6. And, totally and absolutely MOST IMPORTANT... an easy bike ride to my favourite pub from Riverdale.

Nirvana.

This is going to be an insanely crazy build out.
 
The Games should help to bring the new neighbourhood into the city's consciousness, rather than let it develop as a sort of hidden gem in an area that for the longest time was seemingly forgotten.
 
With River City launching north of the flyover, and the Pan Am athletes' village going in south of the flyover, in 5 1/2 years West Don Lands will be:

1. Totally built out.

2. A neighbourhood with a huge park.

3. Tons of sports facilities.

4. New rapid transit on Cherry.

5. A totally organic connection with Distillery District as Gooderham will be finished.

6. And, totally and absolutely MOST IMPORTANT... an easy bike ride to my favourite pub from Riverdale.

Nirvana.

This is going to be an insanely crazy build out.

Please Please PLEASE do not end up like CityPlace by Concorde Park.com
 
I don't mind the CityPlace park

Please Please PLEASE do not end up like CityPlace by Concorde Park.com

Saw it at the opening ceremonies. I'm not certain why you think it's so bad.

However, the WDL park is an integral part of the flood control. It'll be green, and it'll be big.
 
Saw it at the opening ceremonies. I'm not certain why you think it's so bad.

However, the WDL park is an integral part of the flood control. It'll be green, and it'll be big.

It's done on the (super-)cheap, was scaled back rediculously from what was promised, it's uninviting, it looks like a suburban sports park (built on a grid), designed to discourage 'loitering', and mostly, with all the hundreds-of-millions of dollars people invested in their development(s), you'd think they [Concorde] would put a significant investment back into the very same community that helped them make all those millions.

WDL Park, at least at this point, looks like it'll knock CityPlace Field (it's NOT a park) out of the water! I'm actually considering the WDL as a future poissible neighbourhood for myself to buy/live!

I currently live in Hamilton's North End, which is the neighbourhood that will benefit most from Hamilton's PanAm involvement. I can't wait!
 
I've taken part in the Waterfront Toronto meetings about Don River Park. Apart from the school which is supposed to magically share the park with everyone else, the park itself looks good, with all-season use planned. To open in 2011.. (sigh)
 
Bullcrap.

It's done on the (super-)cheap, was scaled back rediculously from what was promised, it's uninviting, it looks like a suburban sports park (built on a grid), designed to discourage 'loitering', and mostly, with all the hundreds-of-millions of dollars people invested in their development(s), you'd think they [Concorde] would put a significant investment back into the very same community that helped them make all those millions.

WDL Park, at least at this point, looks like it'll knock CityPlace Field (it's NOT a park) out of the water! I'm actually considering the WDL as a future poissible neighbourhood for myself to buy/live!

I currently live in Hamilton's North End, which is the neighbourhood that will benefit most from Hamilton's PanAm involvement. I can't wait!

1. The finishes are just fine. It's not done on the (super-)cheap at all.

2. It's NOT EVEN OPEN YET. To call it 'uninviting' is ridiculous. You have no idea how it'll interact with its neighbours. However, I will say that the canoe and the lawns below it look like they'll invite tons of loungers. So, IMHO, it'll be inviting. I may be wrong, but you might/probably are wrong, too.

3. No more than 1/3rd of the place is devoted to sports. Probably more like 1/4 if you don't count the Fox running track, which is arguably not only for sports. Besides, as a sporting type, WHAT THE F***'s THE MATTER WITH HAVING SPORTS IN A PARK????

4. Concorde has done a credible job with this park and spent more than they had budgeted/promised, no? For-profit public corporations are supposed to make a profit, not a park, but I think they've done fine.

5. Stay in Hamilton.
 

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