And there has been some joking around in the group about changing the abbrevation of Move Toronto from 'MT' to 'MoTo'. I think it has a better ring to it.
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Also: It's fascinating to me that the SaveOurSubways MoveToronto plan seemed to develop as a microcosm of city transit planning. It became very political very quickly, and in a lot of ways the initial plan seemed to try too hard to make all of your members happy. So for CC you had subways to Mississauga, for Fresh Start you had your BRT section, for KeithZ you had the emphasis on STC, etc. In the end, just like with TC, there were compromises, and parts of the plan not everyone agreed with, but were there to keep certain members from freaking out.
The gren stretch you're referring to is the Richview Expressway corridor, which we do propose using. While dipping may be good at some spots, I think it would be better to spend the extra to trench it, that way it can be decked over and redeveloped, like they have done on sections of the Yonge line between Rosedale and Eglinton.
I don't get why they can't just deck it over with Eglinton itself. Is it that expensive to rebuild the road on the corridor itself and run it for a few years while they cut and cover for the LRT and then deck it back over with Eglinton? This way they would get their developable land back.
The gren stretch you're referring to is the Richview Expressway corridor, which we do propose using. While dipping may be good at some spots, I think it would be better to spend the extra to trench it, that way it can be decked over and redeveloped, like they have done on sections of the Yonge line between Rosedale and Eglinton.
Is it realistic to build anything of substance on top of a tunnel, which prevents a foundation to be poured?
The Prudential Center complex in Boston is built on top of a stretch of the Mass Turnpike:Is it realistic to build anything of substance on top of a tunnel, which prevents a foundation to be poured?
Will any of these visions for Toronto transit include transit service of some type to the Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport? With passenger levels heading north of 1,000,000 per year, one would think that this would be deserving of transit service beyond a walk down a busy street to a streetcar stop.
They just announced that they're building a pedestrian tunnel to the airport. That, coupled with both the Harbourfront streetcar, and Porter's Union express shuttle, they should be pretty well off I think.
Wait, what? Wouldn't a bridge make more sense than a tunnel?
Several of you have just posted some compromises that would have "almost universal support", so I'll give you guys some insight on the updated map that I was working on for most of this afternoon. However the map is not finalized, so I can't really post that, we have to work out prioritizing, etc.
We still want to make a portion of the plan cost-neutral with TC, so what we have done is scrapped the 15 and 25 year division based on the Metrolinx RTP and have gone with 'Priority Projects' and 'Projects that Require Additional Funding'. Basically 'need to have' vs 'would be good to have'.
Some specific changes:
-Eglinton LRT from Kingston to Pearson, with the western section using the Richview corridor for cut-and-cover and/or trench.
-Sheppard subway extention to Agincourt, with optional extension to STC later.
-SELRT from Agincourt east to Meadowvale, with spur line north to Malvern Town Centre.
-Kipling BRT north from Kipling station using hydro corridor, connects with Eglinton LRT and Mississauga Transitway (becomes Mississauga Transitway after it turns west, provides direct link to Square One). Also BRT south from Kipling station to Long Branch via Kipling and Lakeshore, likely in the 'additional funding' category.
-Finch West and Don Mills LRTs in priority projects, connector segment between the two to come later (Finch East bus works fairly well as-is, building only part of the line would disrupt that continuous service).
-Jane LRT from Steeles West station to Weston and Eglinton, where it will meet western leg of the DRL and Eglinton LRT (mirror image of Science Centre interchange)
-Kingston BRT from Vic Park to Morningside, where it will turn north to Ellesmere, loop at UTSC, then Ellesmere west to STC. Optional extension along Kingston to Durham Region.