amnesiajune
Senior Member
It's actually the same system that the TTC had until 2002, when the 2 and 4 buses became the 26 and 48 (and the subways went from 601-603 to 1-4)
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It's actually the same system that the TTC had until 2002, when the 2 and 4 buses became the 26 and 48 (and the subways went from 601-603 to 1-4)
Leo_Chan
Senior Member
It's interesting that Viva Blue is 601 and Viva Blue A is 602; I would have thought it would be 601A.
Megaton327
Senior Member
Yes. This is one of my biggest pet peeves with Viva. It's confusing especially when the Viva buses are blue, and that's the name of a line...I can see a visitor to the area or someone not fluent in English seeing a blue Viva bus and thinking oh, that's Viva Blue, or being told to take Viva Purple and oh, that bus isn't purple. I recognize it's a minor issue but it's such a simple one to fix.
I think YRT/Viva should have re-numbered their routes and reserved 1-10 for Viva, e.g. 1 - Viva Blue or 2 - Viva Purple, this would let them keep the naming scheme and coloured lines on maps (which I think are nice) but added route numbers which are more typical of bus systems and more easily understood by visitors or those not fluent in English who can normally at least recognize a bus route number.
Sandpit
Active Member
The point of Viva is to make you think that it's not a bus, and numbering the routes would defeat that. In fact, when Viva first started in 2005, they insisted on calling their buses "RTVs" (Rapid Transit Vehicles). This was quietly dropped once they realized that literally no one called them that.
Leo_Chan
Senior Member
Yes please. And while they're at it, restructure all the legacy Richmond Hill, Vaughan, Markham routes into York Region routes and numbers.
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Leo_Chan
Senior Member
Is it normal for the VMC Vivastation to have rain go through the roof? It didn’t drop onto the platforms, but did go onto the road (bus lane) and there didn’t seem to be any sewers or drains on the roadway.
Another issue has to do with the intersection of Jane and Highway 7. Since the Zum 501 bus turns right in order to get to York University, it blocks up the lane for Viva Orange buses to go straight. At least proper transit signals, white vertical bar) for it, but had to wait for a whole signal phase.
Another issue has to do with the intersection of Jane and Highway 7. Since the Zum 501 bus turns right in order to get to York University, it blocks up the lane for Viva Orange buses to go straight. At least proper transit signals, white vertical bar) for it, but had to wait for a whole signal phase.
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strookie
Active Member
See http://www.vivanext.com/blog/2017/11/13/rain-rain-go-away/.
I truly believe the roof is nowhere close to being done yet. It was just days before opening that they placed the final outer panels on the roof. By then it was so cold that I bet they never even started--let alone completed--installing the flexible joint gaskets between the panels. I'm pretty sure they completed the glass panel joints, though. Also, the eaves/soffits closest to the road surface are not done yet--you can still see the blue adhesive membrane. So I'm guessing that the interface between the solid roof and the glass roof is not yet complete either.
wilson_wu
Active Member
Since were on the topic of naming standards.
Viva was originally supposed to be named after fruits. Viva Blueberry. Viva Orange. Viva Lime. etc. It was decided it would be a bad idea. I saw a whole marketing pamphlet which has since been removed from the internet.
Viva was originally supposed to be named after fruits. Viva Blueberry. Viva Orange. Viva Lime. etc. It was decided it would be a bad idea. I saw a whole marketing pamphlet which has since been removed from the internet.
Leo_Chan
Senior Member
Do you have a copy?
Leo_Chan
Senior Member
cplchanb
Senior Member
As plagued with infirmities Viva/YRT is, you have to admit they have been the pioneers of many technologies/innovations in the GTHA:
-automated announcements
-BRT
-traffic priority
-joint with presto
-2hr transfer
-zone fare (albeit poorly implemented)
-call in stop ETA
-eta signs at terminals/stations
innsertnamehere
Superstar
They just have one Achilles heel: frequency. If that could increase, it would be a great system.
cplchanb
Senior Member
ack.... thats the crux of running a system in such large sparsely populated territory.
too much coverage required and not enough riders to support the system in the small patches of density.
If ML took over all operations of the GTHA systems and ran the YRT sector as ML Bus North, I believe this issue may be solved without breaking up YRT into 2.
Leo_Chan
Senior Member
YRT no longer has fare zones.
Don't know if this a a YRT, GO, or both problem, but GO buses don't have ETA at YRT terminals.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
Yonge and hwy7 aren't exactly sparsely populated. Sure, they gotta run empty buses to Sutton. But that is no excuse for BRT infrastructure to be running on 30 minute frequencies like is the case in downtown markham.