[Paclo]

Wouldn't a transit station discussion be better off in this forum? That forum seems to drown in articles about tall buildings, making it hard to find other stuff.

Transit stations, being both buildings and infrastructure, could fit into either section, but we have been keeping any projects constituting a new building in the that section, including numerous new TTC & GO stations.

If you are interested in this project but not in other buildings, I recommend setting up notifications on the thread!

 

[nfitz]

Transit stations, being both buildings and infrastructure, could fit into either section, but we have been keeping any projects constituting a new building in the that section, including numerous new TTC & GO stations.

There's TTC are GO station threads in the building forum?!? That's news to me. There's been many here in the past. Heck, I've started some.

Are they in a subforum over there? I do pop in there from time to time, and haven't seen them. They must be buried deep, much of the time.

Also, the KW one isn't in Toronto. Do we need two threads for Waterloo transit?

 

[Bureaucromancer]

For those who closely followed both the Kitchener and Ottawa LRT construction and launch, what did Kitchener do correct that Ottawa didn't?

Honestly, I don't think there's much to it but luck in getting a slightly more proven and notably less glitchy fleet.

 

[nfitz]

Honestly, I don't think there's much to it but luck in getting a slightly more proven and notably less glitchy fleet.

They added on as one of the options to the TTC-specced order. TTC would have followed the design closely. Now, the Flexity Freedoms are a bit different, but there's similarities. And probably a much tighter contracting framework.

I fear for the Finch West vehicles though. They were contracted VERY quickly, and not even tendered. Did they fix this error?

 

[reaperexpress]

A database page and building thread have been created for the King Victoria Transit Hub.

Earlier posts from this thread relevant to the transit hub have been copied over. Please use that thread for discussion relating the transit hub building specifically and continue to use this thread for discussion of general Waterloo Region transit developments. Thanks!

So now I need to second-guess whether each transit project counts as a "building" or not in order to find it? So if GO Transit upgrades tracks between stations it's in the Transportation & Infrastructure forum, but if they upgrade tracks in a station (e.g. Union Station Expansion) it's in the building forum? That makes no sense to me. A GO Transit station thread has a lot more in common with the GO Transit Construction Projects thread than it does with a skyscraper.

 

[Paclo]

So now I need to second-guess whether each transit project counts as a "building" or not in order to find it? So if GO Transit upgrades tracks between stations it's in the Transportation & Infrastructure forum, but if they upgrade tracks in a station (e.g. Union Station Expansion) it's in the building forum? That makes no sense to me. A GO Transit station thread has a lot more in common with the GO Transit Construction Projects thread than it does with a skyscraper.

Track upgrades, regardless of where they occur (at an existing station or between), are discussed in the transportation and infrastructure section. If the scope of work in a project involves the construction of new and permanent buildings, as most stations are, then it can be discussed in the buildings section.

 

[reaperexpress]

Track upgrades, regardless of where they occur (at an existing station or between), are discussed in the transportation and infrastructure section. If the scope of work in a project involves the construction of new and permanent buildings, as most stations are, then it can be discussed in the buildings section.

Well the Union Station Expansion project does include a planning application and arguably some level of building (an underground concourse) so by your description it should be in the Buildings section. The track upgrades which are also part of that project and will inevitably be discussed in that thread would therefore not be discussed in the Transportation and Infrastructure section.

 

[Sunnyside]

I don’t think this is rocket science… something that is exclusively a building gets a building thread, something actually related to the transportation component is here. That doesn’t preclude people from talking about one in the other. I think it makes sense to track Mount Dennis’ construction in a building thread for instance, and maybe have the odd update in GO construction projects rather than throwing them all there. When a building is done the topic can be closed and more easily encapsulated, rather than bloating threads/ conversations. And when In doubt, just post in both or go with your gut…

 

[rbt]

I don’t think this is rocket science… something that is exclusively a building gets a building thread, something actually related to the transportation component is here. That doesn’t preclude people from talking about one in the other. I think it makes sense to track Mount Dennis’ construction in a building thread for instance, and maybe have the odd update in GO construction projects rather than throwing them all there. When a building is done the topic can be closed and more easily encapsulated, rather than bloating threads/ conversations. And when In doubt, just post in both or go with your gut…

Hosting station threads under both Transit and Building forums is largely possible. One thread is a symbolic reference to the other, and clicking on the reference redirects the person to the actual thread.

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[Allandale25]

Full thread via the link. You'll have to see this on twitter for the timelapse in the first image.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1702368548364976386

 

[ZEBuilder]

This won't be surprising to anyone who has been on regional transit within the last month but the number of boardings/trips in September is an all time record with 3.8 million boardings and 2.9 million trips. The previous records respectively were 3.07 million boardings in June of 2019 (the month the LRT opened) and 2.19 million in November 2019.

The number of boardings and trips that have occurred this year has now surpassed the total number of boardings and trips last year by roughly 1 million a piece and they are currently on pace to surpass the previous records set in 2019. Due to this GRT is planning on adding about 50,000 hours of new service in 2024, they have yet to say what the changes will be but it is certainly possible that many of the routes will have an increase in frequency.

The region is also in the process of purchasing articulated busses for some routes, in 2019 when the idea was first floated the busses would be used on routes 201 (currently operating on 10 minute frequencies during peak hours) and the 12 (currently operating on 15 minute frequencies during peak hours). However the actual routes using them is still not publicly determined.

 

[andrewmaps]

Just a nice pic of ION...

 

[allengeorge]

It’s unfortunate that Phase 2 is so wildly expensive as to (probably) be DOA.

 

[ericmacm]

It’s unfortunate that Phase 2 is so wildly expensive as to (probably) be DOA.

I doubt it. I will concede that my outlook on the situation is pretty optimistic, but there are a lot of reasons to be.

It is expensive, there is no doubt about that. However, all Grand River Area municipalities are growing very quickly and construction of iON Stage 2 is only going to get more expensive every year it sits in planning. The need is not going away, and the case for Stage 2 is going to improve every year and is being helped by explosive ridership growth seen throughout GRT.

What I believe is going to eventually happen is that the feds are going to end up funding a large portion of its cost, like how the feds are paying for half of the Hamilton LRT. However, I don’t believe that these discussions will happen until Cambridge shows interest in and signs a Housing Accelerator Fund agreement to end exclusionary zoning.

 

[Northern Light]

I doubt it. I will concede that my outlook on the situation is pretty optimistic, but there are a lot of reasons to be.

It is expensive, there is no doubt about that. However, all Grand River Area municipalities are growing very quickly and construction of iON Stage 2 is only going to get more expensive every year it sits in planning. The need is not going away, and the case for Stage 2 is going to improve every year and is being helped by explosive ridership growth seen throughout GRT.

What I believe is going to eventually happen is that the feds are going to end up funding a large portion of its cost, like how the feds are paying for half of the Hamilton LRT. However, I don’t believe that these discussions will happen until Cambridge shows interest in and signs a Housing Accelerator Fund agreement to end exclusionary zoning.

A question for you and others here more familiar w/ K-W than I...........

The existing ION is a north-south spine of Rapid Transit for the area, broadly in line w/how the community (ies) are shaped by the Grand.

That said, do you (or anyone else) think there is case for any kind of East-West spine, above and beyond GO?

If so, where would one put that to serve existing/future density/jobs?

I looked at a few spots on aerial (Victoria, Queen, etc.) but couldn't settle on a clear candidate and whether its even a worthwhile idea in the medium term.