[Richard White]

Has there ever been a tram, anywhere, in the history of the entire world, that has been totalled by a car? It's almost universally the car that ends up being a write off. They'll bang out the dents and the tram will be back in service in a few days.

A truck, sure. But those collisions are much rarer.

I think there was an incident near Main Street Station a decade or so ago where this happened mind you it was a bus not a car. If I recall, the streetcar was removed from service since it was almost retired anyway.

See here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toro...-collision-with-streetcar-injures-4-1.2885405

 

[hawc]

I forgot that Metrolinx will run and operate the Crosstown.

For some reason I always thought they were handing it over to the TTC and that was what some of the delay was all about.

But this will be more like a GO Train situation where Presto works across everything, but it is Metrolinx not TTC that operates the Crosstown?

Howcome the new trams have TTC logo on them then?

 

[jordanmkasla2009]

I forgot that Metrolinx will run and operate the Crosstown.

For some reason I always thought they were handing it over to the TTC and that was what some of the delay was all about.

But this will be more like a GO Train situation where Presto works across everything, but it is Metrolinx not TTC that operates the Crosstown?

Howcome the new trams have TTC logo on them then?

TTC will operate the line. Metrolinx is responsible for maintenance, and owns the vehicles.

 

[generalcanada]

TTC will operate the line. Metrolinx is responsible for maintenance, and owns the vehicles.

Isnt the contractor maintaining the vehicles?

 

[T3G]

Isnt the contractor maintaining the vehicles?

They are, but it is Metrolinx's duty to give away, not the TTC's.

 

[chickenfriedrice]

Saw 2 vehicles w the “TRAINING VEHICLE” signage going westbound near sunnybrook park way later than I’ve ever seen, around 9:30pm last night

 

[Steve X]

Isnt the contractor maintaining the vehicles?

Metrolinx is the owner and they decide how it’s done. TTC is operating the line part of an agreement which could probably be terminated if they really desired one day.

 

[hawc]

Huh. Reddit had it all wrong. Not surprising. They said Metolinx would own and operate it.

So we'll see uniformed TTC operators sitting in the drivers seat.

 

[Allandale25]

 

[nfitz]

Huh. Reddit had it all wrong. Not surprising. They said Metolinx would own and operate it.

Reddit seems worse than Facebook or X for accuracy.

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Gosh, was the last big issue signalling then? Which is what I thought had allowed them to resume operational training.

 

[Steve X]

you're assuming that no LRV will get totalled by oncoming cars on the surface section.......

I think this is not really a big issue unless Alstom decides to stop making Flexities.

Oh yeah. I think TTC totaled some of their streetcars due to bad practices than being in collision.

That includes the 2 that got flooded. I believe one was told to drive through it. Unless the tunnel floods, I think they’ll be safe. They avoided the Eglinton flats flood plain with an elevated structure.

Then there was the one that has a burnt top thanks to overhead failures. The crosstown has much simpler overhead so it’s less likely it’s going to happen.

I do believe the collision one that ended up in a George Brown building is repairable. It’s more of body damage than component failure.

 

[Kyle Campbell]

Oh yeah. I think TTC totaled some of their streetcars due to bad practices than being in collision.

That includes the 2 that got flooded. I believe one was told to drive through it. Unless the tunnel floods, I think they’ll be safe. They avoided the Eglinton flats flood plain with an elevated structure.

Then there was the one that has a burnt top thanks to overhead failures. The crosstown has much simpler overhead so it’s less likely it’s going to happen.

I do believe the collision one that ended up in a George Brown building is repairable. It’s more of body damage than component failure.

Calgary has definitely had lots of collisions, but the only LRV that was retired due to damage was one that derailed running past the end of the track at Tuscany station.

Calgary Transit 2301-2338 - CPTDB Wiki

cptdb.ca

 

[T3G]

Oh yeah. I think TTC totaled some of their streetcars due to bad practices than being in collision.

That includes the 2 that got flooded. I believe one was told to drive through it. Unless the tunnel floods, I think they’ll be safe. They avoided the Eglinton flats flood plain with an elevated structure.

Then there was the one that has a burnt top thanks to overhead failures. The crosstown has much simpler overhead so it’s less likely it’s going to happen.

I do believe the collision one that ended up in a George Brown building is repairable. It’s more of body damage than component failure.

None of the aforementioned equipment has been officially declared to be unrepairable. There are 6 long term holds. From the original order: the 2 that got flooded, one that smacked a truck in the summer of 2022, another one that had an accident in early 2023, and one that suffered the electrical fire at the end of 2022. From the new one, the one that took a culinary course at George Brown and didn't seem that badly damaged, from the photos. The service summary indicates all 204 cars from the original order are still on the roster.

Of course, part of that has to do with the secrecy surrounding the aforementioned equipment... the 2 cars that got flooded have been out of service for almost 7 years and we somehow still don't know what fate awaits them? The most recent development, posted on CPTDB by a reliable member, indicated that the cars had been cleaned and repaired in NY and were heading on a train to Thunder Bay on October 13, 2019. What the hold up could be, so long after, I can't fathom. I have seen it speculated that they were waiting to finish the 60 car add on order, but that's nonsense, because the original order was completed in March 2020 and the add on order wasn't signed until 2021.

As for the accident victims, I rarely hear of multi section LRVs being written off after accidents. Prague has totalled the front and rear sections of quite a few of their Skoda 15 Ts, and they were repaired by being sent back to the manufacturer, who, in the worst case scenario, scrapped the damaged section and furnished a new one. The all time record for one being out of service was almost 8 years, having suffered a collision in September 2015 and being returned to service in June 2023.

 

[Steve X]

None of the aforementioned equipment has been officially declared to be unrepairable. There are 6 long term holds. From the original order: the 2 that got flooded, one that smacked a truck in the summer of 2022, another one that had an accident in early 2023, and one that suffered the electrical fire at the end of 2022. From the new one, the one that took a culinary course at George Brown and didn't seem that badly damaged, from the photos. The service summary indicates all 204 cars from the original order are still on the roster.

Of course, part of that has to do with the secrecy surrounding the aforementioned equipment... the 2 cars that got flooded have been out of service for almost 7 years and we somehow still don't know what fate awaits them? The most recent development, posted on CPTDB by a reliable member, indicated that the cars had been cleaned and repaired in NY and were heading on a train to Thunder Bay on October 13, 2019. What the hold up could be, so long after, I can't fathom. I have seen it speculated that they were waiting to finish the 60 car add on order, but that's nonsense, because the original order was completed in March 2020 and the add on order wasn't signed until 2021.

As for the accident victims, I rarely hear of multi section LRVs being written off after accidents. Prague has totalled the front and rear sections of quite a few of their Skoda 15 Ts, and they were repaired by being sent back to the manufacturer, who, in the worst case scenario, scrapped the damaged section and furnished a new one. The all time record for one being out of service was almost 8 years, having suffered a collision in September 2015 and being returned to service in June 2023.

That is true that none are officially retired but they are in long term if not permanent hold.

That doesn’t make them part of the fleet anymore. I suspect the cost of replacing all the electrical components is astonishingly high. To the point that they might as well part of the car and buy a replacement instead.

 

[T3G]

That is true that none are officially retired but they are in long term if not permanent hold.

That doesn’t make them part of the fleet anymore. I suspect the cost of replacing all the electrical components is astonishingly high. To the point that they might as well part of the car and buy a replacement instead.

That would only explain the fire damaged and flooded units, and none of the collision victims.

Replacing the electronics might be expensive, but I doubt it comes close to the ~10 million price tag for a brand new unit.

There was an ALRV that had a similar mishap occur in 2007, but they fixed it up and ran it until 2014. I can't imagine a considerably younger Flexity being scrapped.