[christiesplits]

How did Thomas Mulcair screw things up.?
Basically he was pretty smart and had the NDP in a winning position until the radicals in the party were exposed.
The only thing he could (should) have done differently is to concentrate on keeping the Liberals in 3rd place - so that the NDP would be viewed as the natural alternative to the CPC - instead of actually going after Harper.

The media consensus was that Mulclair moved the party too far to the centre, allowing Trudeau to claim the progressive "change" slot that was far more appealing to the electorate.

Ironically, in moving to back to the left in 2019, the NDP is doing far worse. In the most recent Mainstreet poll they are at 8% support nationally. I don't think they have hit that low since the mid 90s.

https://ipolitics.ca/2019/09/10/lib...est-national-poll-while-ndp-tumble-to-fourth/

 

[Richard White]

The media consensus was that Mulclair moved the party too far to the centre, allowing Trudeau to claim the progressive "change" slot that was far more appealing to the electorate.

Ironically, in moving to back to the left in 2019, the NDP is doing far worse. In the most recent Mainstreet poll they are at 8% support nationally. I don't think they have hit that low since the mid 90s.

https://ipolitics.ca/2019/09/10/lib...est-national-poll-while-ndp-tumble-to-fourth/

The problem is that left for the NDP is grassroots activism that isn't appealing to the population at large. People want a better quality of life, lower taxes and so forth. They don't want to elect PETA, CUPE or IATSE.

The NDP has a socialist wing and even mildly communist overtones. Hell I once got booted from my local riding association because I was deemed a communist.

I then joined the Communist Party of Canada. I'd vote Communist if they had a candidate in my riding.

 

[Northern Light]

The media consensus was that Mulclair moved the party too far to the centre, allowing Trudeau to claim the progressive "change" slot that was far more appealing to the electorate.

Ironically, in moving to back to the left in 2019, the NDP is doing far worse. In the most recent Mainstreet poll they are at 8% support nationally. I don't think they have hit that low since the mid 90s.

https://ipolitics.ca/2019/09/10/lib...est-national-poll-while-ndp-tumble-to-fourth/

Its worth saying, the media consensus was a load of something or other.............

Noting that I gave a non-partisan analysis of the platforms here last time out............the NDP ran to the left of the Liberals on pharmacare and childcare, and were squarely in favour of raising corporate tax.

The only area of the platform where the NDP were to the 'right' of the Libs was that they committed to a balanced budget (funded by tax hikes).

I think that was responsible and sensible.

Which is not antithetical to progressive politics.

I think the media sold a line to the public on this Libs to the left business.

The Libs certainly did go further left that usual, and they had 2 stand-out policies that appealed to centre-left/young voters, electoral reform and pot.

They delivered one........

I say that, as someone who has voted Liberal at times in the past and may well do so again.........

I simply get irritated at what I see as a media narrative inconsistent w/the facts.

 

[PinkLucy]

I simply get irritated at what I see as a media narrative inconsistent w/the facts.

Your irritation level must be getting higher each year, particularly when it comes to headlines which are often inconsistent with the articles -- and so many people only read the headlines.

 

[Richard White]

Your irritation level must be getting higher each year, particularly when it comes to headlines which are often inconsistent with the articles -- and so many people only read the headlines.

Imagine if BlogTO got involved in and hosted political debates. All of Canada would be devastated by the .02 lead by the conservatives

 

[Videodrome]

The writ is being dropped tomorrow!

 

[Richard White]

The writ is being dropped tomorrow!

Anyone here know what the count is for registered Liberal and NDP candidates? I am curious if the NDP will be caught with their pantaloons down.

 

[Videodrome]

Beauce: Maxime Bernier affrontera... Maxime Bernier

Maxime Bernier fera face à Maxime Bernier dans la circonscription de Beauce.

www.lapresse.ca

Maxime Bernier has an opponent from the Rhinoceros Party...named Maxime Bernier.

 

[BurlOak]

The writ is being dropped tomorrow!

I suspect this is a false flag.

How much of an insult would that be to the 25+ Canadians who died on 9/11?
How much of an insult would that be to the 150+ soldiers who were killed in the ensuing Afghan War?
How much of an insult would that be to the Canadian Armed Forces?

 

[Northern Light]

I suspect this is a false flag.

How much of an insult would that be to the 25+ Canadians who died on 9/11?
How much of an insult would that be to the 150+ soldiers who were killed in the ensuing Afghan War?
How much of an insult would that be to the Canadian Armed Forces?

None at all.

The only insult here is yours, dragging tragedy and the loss of life into this for crass partisan points, which you know full well won't go over here anyway.

 

[Admiral Beez]

I suspect this is a false flag.

How much of an insult would that be to the 25+ Canadians who died on 9/11?
How much of an insult would that be to the 150+ soldiers who were killed in the ensuing Afghan War?
How much of an insult would that be to the Canadian Armed Forces?

It’s a rare day that we see such a stupid post here at UT.

 

[Jasmine18]

Its best for the nation there is a minority government.

I think Trudeau will become insufferable if he tries to govern the country as a beloved leader with 35% of the vote and a majority govt.

 

[Admiral Beez]

Its best for the nation there is a minority government.

I think Trudeau will become insufferable if he tries to govern the country as a beloved leader with 35% of the vote and a majority govt.

Minorities never work. We'd have another election within 18 months. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_minority_governments_in_Canada

 

[Jasmine18]

Minorities never work. We'd have another election within 18 months. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_minority_governments_in_Canada

I am just sick of Liberal and Consverative govts running this country with arrogance and dominance when they actually have rather limited support.

I just think its a bad system.

 

[Admiral Beez]

I am just sick of Liberal and Consverative govts running this country with arrogance and dominance when they actually have rather limited support.

Even if we had proportional representation or ranked ballots, you'd still get majority governments with limited support. It's a Westminster parliamentary system, you vote for your MP, not the PM.

IMO, we have a great country. In the last year I've been to Germany, Austria, Holland, Singapore, Malaysia, Taiwan, China (Shanghai + Hong Kong), South Korea and like most Canadians to the USA (Seattle, San Francisco and Alaska). Before that I was in Israel, Croatia, Czech Republic, Slovenia and the UK. Canada isn't perfect, but every time I come home I thank my lucky stars for living here.