Towered
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You missed another ideal option - that he puts a bullet in his brain surrounded by the opulence of his ill-gotten gains.
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Superstar
This report says "Putin retreated to his Sochi mansion ". Not sure this is really correct as he is off to a summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) (22nd Meeting of the Council of Heads of State of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization) in the Uzbek city of Samarkand. Perhaps he popped into his Sochi palace to pack his overnight bag? It is being held on 15-16 September 2022.
Richard White
Senior Member
I agree. This will be like Bosnia where the area was rife with Landmines and damage after the war.
I can see the EU bringing Ukraine into the fold at breakneck speed after the war so they can start rebuilding part of the EU family. I
Northern Light
Superstar
Reinforcing the discussion of Russian surrenders in/near Kherson:
He did add this caveat:
He did add this caveat:
kEiThZ
Superstar
L-O-L
Richard White
Senior Member
Care to translate?
kEiThZ
Superstar
Aside from the collapse in Kharkiv, the Russians may have gotten another huge force at risk of encirclement west of Severodonetsk. If the Ukrainians succeed at this, pre-Feb occupied Donbas is wide open.
This is potentially as big as Kharkiv last week. We're potentially looking at the liberation of areas occupied since 2014.
Richard White
Senior Member
Losing the Donbas would be bad for Putin.
If I recall, one of his reasons for his "special military operation" was to liberate the Donbas and Crimea. After everything else both he and the Russian people have lost during this failed war, it would be the living embodiment of failure.
The Donbas would be the turning point. If he loses that, this war is going to go in favor of Ukraine.
kEiThZ
Superstar
At this point, almost guaranteed. There was concerns that they could fall back to pre Feb lines (that have well built up fortifications) and hold. But if the Ukrainians are knocking on the door of Severodonetsk, the Russian tactical withdrawal clearly ain't going well.
MisterF
Senior Member
I have no military experience so my take should be taken with a grain of salt. But it looks like Russia's entire invasion force is collapsing in spectacular fashion. Ukrainian forces are close to the main Russian force in the Donbas. Since the way east looks wide open, they might be able to flank the main Russian forces and attack them from behind. The Russians can't really pivot to meet them head on since they've been bogged down against Ukrainian troops to the west for months.
Richard White
Senior Member
As someone else said, the Russian lines are falling to pieces. This is turning into Putins Afghanistan, his Vietnam if you will.
Much like Afghanistan contributed to the fall of the Soviet Union, I can see the war in Ukraine contributing to the fall of Russia as we know it.
kEiThZ
Superstar
Possibly the start of a withdrawal.....
Richard White
Senior Member
Question is... will they leave troops in Crimea and the Donbas?
If they leave everywhere but, it will leave more than enough troops and firepower to clear out both.
kEiThZ
Superstar
Way, way worse.
Neither of the conflicts mentioned had losses like this. Both in materiel or personnel. And neither Afghanistan for the USSR or Vietnam for the USA, saw a wholesale destruction of credibility of those countries as military powers. The Ukrainians have truly shown the world that the emperor is naked.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
You have to wonder just how good their nukes are - sure you don't need that many to work, but you do wonder what conditions their nuclear arsenal is in.
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