Admiral Beez
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Trudeau should be so lucky.
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Admiral Beez
Superstar
All five of Canada’s parties in Parliament are positioned to the centre. There are no rabid communists nor jackboot fascists in the House of Commons. All five are government-enlarging, tax increasing, deficit-spending, nanny state boosting, defence-neglecting parties. By his second fiscal budget, after the realities of governance set in, PM Poilievre will be expanding government responsibilities and spending on multiple new initiatives while throwing billions more into existing programs as well as duplicating programs that encroach on provincial jurisdictions, and, like Con PM Stephen Harper and all PMs before him, neglecting defence spending. They’re all the same.
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picard102
Senior Member
I don't consider parties that hang out with Diagolon, attack LGBTQ+, court the MGTOW crowd, and attend pro-life rallies to be center parties no matter what their fiscal policies are.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
You think the far left is pro-alphabet? Socialists the world over have a long history of anti-gay hate.
Socialism and LGBT rights - Wikipedia
picard102
Senior Member
"pro-alphabet"? Is the mask slipping? Spectacular whataboutism though.
Please, let me know what current mainstream party is "far-left", and show their anti-lgtbq+ policies.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Relax brother, not everything is a microaggression or trigger. I've just done a quick whip-round with my queer pals and direct family, and no one I know takes offense with the term alphabet, unless used in a derogatory manner. But that doesn't mean you can't be offended, everyone has a right to take offence of anything, so you do you. I will however suggest another acronym to bring us back together, ALOTBSOL (“always look on the bright side of life”).
Even though I will be presumably joining you and voting NDP (in Toronto Centre a non-Liberal vote's wasted otherwise) I do not believe PM Poilievre will go to town on abortion or 2SLGBTQAI+ rights or issues. But we'll have to see, and remain vigilant if his more conservative MPs start making noises this way.
Of course this whole scenario could vanish if Trudeau would step down and allow a new leader to take the reigns and bring the country and its mood out of the malaise and frustration that is driving us toward the Cons.
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kEiThZ
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Nothing would change. The same base that made Singh leader still dominates. I think some of you are clinging on to the idea of the NDP as a worker's party. It isn't that anymore. It's become a leftist party with social issues at the forefront. They've lost a lot of the working class to the right. And I'm not sure they can actually win them back. If they can't, they'll go further and further down the woke politics route.
What sucks for them too, is that the LPC has basically co-opted a lot of their economic ideas. From childcare to pharmacare to transit and housing, the LPC is pushing some form of policy. Leaves very little room for the NDP.
I will never understand the assumption that everybody who votes Liberal would automatically vote for a united left party. The fact that LPC and NDP are both tanking in the polls kind of shows there isn't as much united left support as people think. Entirely possible that a united left party sees the CPC in office a lot more. Not less.
Like you, and for the above reason, I'd rather see electoral reform too.
Brands
Active Member
The problem with this whole Liberal-NDP deal is that it is benefiting neither party. Canada is a centrist Country in terms of policy and voting intentions.
The liberals are basically giving the Conservatives party the centrist vote.
Justin Trudeau has taken the liberal party too far left.
The liberals are basically giving the Conservatives party the centrist vote.
Justin Trudeau has taken the liberal party too far left.
Northern Light
Superstar
Really?
In what way?
Would that be the $10 per day daycare that not a single Conservative Premier balked at or refused to deliver?
The very limited scope dental program that most Canadians poll as being in favour of? (indeed they polled in favour of universal dentalcare a much more expansive program)
The meager $200 per month benefit for disabled Canadians that left advocates of the benefit disheartened as they'd be lead to be believe it would be closer to $1,000 per month.
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Yes, the deficit is too high (really we should be in balance), but that owes to two principle causes, corporate welfare (see Volkswagen deal) and relatively low taxes. There is also some material inefficiency and a highly suspect infrastructure bank, but I digress.
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I don't think Canadians broadly view the Trudeau government as too far left, they view it as out of touch, acting against the interests of most Canadians, particularly on immigration (see TFWs and Foreign Students) the former owing to appeasing big business desire for cheap labour and the latter owing to the same as well as Ontario being unwilling to properly fund post-secondary education, which might necessitate a hike in the provincial portion of the HST.
That, general fatigue faced by any government 9 years in....... and Trudeau et. al ' s penchant for seeming condescending and smug.
Freeland on poverty/housing....... 'people should just cut the Disney channel'
All that along with hours long lines to get a passport, and a host of smaller issues.........
But really....... housing, housing, housing.
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Brands
Active Member
They went to bed with the NDP, even taking policies such as the capital gains tax. What you are seeing is a ton of blue liberals moving to the conservatives.
picard102
Senior Member
You still haven't let me know what current mainstream party is "far-left", and shown me their anti-lgtbq+ policies.
picard102
Senior Member
Do you have any evidence of this, any polling to suggest this is true?
You do know capital gains was higher under Conservative government right?
Brands
Active Member
There is evidence of blue liberals moving to the conservatives. Justin Trudeau needs to resign for the liberals to move back to the center. The liberal party is a centrist party, and they need to get back to that if they want anyone to vote for them.
picard102
Senior Member
Provide it.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Could we see Trudeau revisit this soon if it stands a chance of torpedoing the Con's chances? The LPC is smoked under the current system, so you might as well set a torch to the lot on your way out.