Tuscani01
Senior Member
Exactly what I was hoping for! I hope its true.
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Exactly what I was hoping for! I hope its true.
khris
Senior Member
Oh I hope that is true! It looks so junky right now 
Such a shame.
Such a shame.
barrytron3030
Active Member
maybe we should start a new thread for this...
BUT NO! don't get rid of the marble, as dirty as it is. FCP has become an iconic building in toronto. it is the most dominant, and likely known skyscraper on our skyline.
yes the marble is old, but remember, ITS MARBLE! when was the last time a building in this city was clad with such decadent and impressive material. besides, it still looks white.
glass would completely diminish FCP's presence. glass is a material of the 2000's. the marble represents the time the building was created.
glass is not always the answer! it is certainly not the most aesthetically appealing material.
BUT NO! don't get rid of the marble, as dirty as it is. FCP has become an iconic building in toronto. it is the most dominant, and likely known skyscraper on our skyline.
yes the marble is old, but remember, ITS MARBLE! when was the last time a building in this city was clad with such decadent and impressive material. besides, it still looks white.
glass would completely diminish FCP's presence. glass is a material of the 2000's. the marble represents the time the building was created.
glass is not always the answer! it is certainly not the most aesthetically appealing material.
adma
Superstar
Clumsy argument. Glass was a material representing the time the building was created, too. And to critics of the day, the marble was foremost among FCP's problems--next to TD or CC, it was seen as vulgar.
Also mind the fate of FCP's Chicago sibling.
4grand
Active Member
I have trouble believing that they would go to the trouble of removing the marble and re-cladding the entire building in glass. Would it not be cheaper just to clean the marble?
That would be a shit load of precarious work.
That would be a shit load of precarious work.
Ziggy
Active Member
Just cleaning it isn't enough, the marble has to be replaced, as it is structurally unsound. As Adma alludes to, the Aon Center in Chicago had the same problem and replaced the marble with white granite, so there is a precedent.
This Globe article discusses the problem: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070612.PRMARBLE12/TPStory/Business
This Globe article discusses the problem: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070612.PRMARBLE12/TPStory/Business
barrytron3030
Active Member
everyone should read lisa rochon's lament over toronto's blue/green glass predicament on her website. i already posted it on this forum a couple of times.
and please, no matter how clumsy an argument, the majority of this forum is governed by aesthetic opinion. we're all participants in this.
and please, no matter how clumsy an argument, the majority of this forum is governed by aesthetic opinion. we're all participants in this.
junctionist
Senior Member
That was, though, a very clumsy argument considering the innovation that was the glass curtain wall was when FCP was built. Glass was the material of midcentury modernism. Lisa Rochon's concern, if I recall correctly was the use of the cheapest green glass. She wasn't speaking out against the high-quality bronze or gold tinted glass used in our finest office towers.
On a side note, since Brutalism was in part a reaction to the perceived anonymity and coldness of the glass midcentury International style towers, and considering that we're seeing buildings echoing this style, I wonder if we'll see a new Brutalist movement in the not too distance future
.Art Vandelay
Active Member
The "result of climate change"? Give me a break. Freeze and thaw cycles have always been part of our climate. Are we to believe from reading this article that fluctuating temperatures didn't happen when this building was constructed?
What a feeble argument. Its Canada. It gets really cold in the winter and really hot in the summer. Construct your buildings accordingly.
The north east corner of B/A has now been sealed off. But not with the glass cladding, rather some stainless steel siding type of material. Might just be temporary to protect from the elements or its the backside of some lighting feature. Anybody know?
caltrane74
Senior Member
Probably would need a picture, to starting making some guess as to what it is, or what it's for.....
barrytron3030
Active Member
if a brutalist movement pops up again ill shoot myself. HOW BOUT DECO???
Ziggy
Active Member
Yeah, I agree, the climate change angle of that article is completely ridiculous. I think article writers just like to throw it in as the fashionable crisis-du-jour.
The point though, and the reason I cited the article, is that the marble on FCP has to be replaced or structurally remediated somehow, it can't just be cleaned.
Ziggy
Active Member
It can be seen (somewhat) on the webcam:
Looks to me like it could be the backing for something, it seems to be inset a bit compared to the rest of the cladding.
khris
Senior Member
Maybe it's something to do with starting cladding work on the elevator section?