[CalgaryTiger]

Is there a chance the federal money gets scrapped if there’s an early election in the spring and the Liberals are replaced?

IMO the chances are zero. The liberals wouldn’t cancel a transit project and the conservatives wouldn’t want to mess with their western base and will likely be hands off and just hand out things.

 

[Joborule]

Plus, there's an upcoming round of federal funding incoming in the next couple of years. The current money has been allocated since 2015. The messaging from the feds with the most recent drama was disappointment with the UCP political moves jeopardizing the project. Now that Shepard is back in play for the first phase, can't imagine they'll fuck with the money since there's nothing to be gained by doing so even if the conservatives get in early.

 

[badc0ffee]

Is there a chance the federal money gets scrapped if there’s an early election in the spring and the Liberals are replaced?

I don't think so - the initial funding in 2015 that started the ball rolling came from Harper.

 

[O-tac]

I don't think so - the initial funding in 2015 that started the ball rolling came from Harper.

And Kenney was the transport minister. But he changed his tune when he became Premier.

I basically don’t trust conservatives at any level of government not to mess with this and politicize it. Logically I agree it makes no sense for them to pull back funding. But there was no logic in what Dreeshan and Smith did either. Poilievre seems every bit as petty and populist as our Premier. It’s unknown how he will behave.

I’ve basically lost all faith waiting a decade for this project to be built. I’ll be in disbelief when it actually gets built.

 

[Ramsayite]

I'd love to believe that a future federal conservative government would maintain a consistent position vis-a-vis the Harper conservatives, but I'm not convinced. PP seems to be a fan of TOD and densification but his base sure isn't.

The "conservative" ideology has become increasingly inconsistent. It's unpredictable, reactionary populism at its worst. Absolutely chock-full of contradictions and hypocrisy.

It makes it very difficult to predict where a project like the green line will go. Any attempts at understanding it through a coherent a policy framework are wasted. It will be the whims of lobbyists and special interest groups that will determine the future of this and other rail projects. Gone are the days of stable, predictable worldview.

From an ideology of sensible investment and neoliberal pragmatism, conservatives have instead become the overly sensitive, identity-obsessed, pandering, big-government, ideologues that they once pretended to criticize.
Free speech "absolutists" that sure can't handle speech that offends them personally.

I won't attempt to provide any localized examples, lest my post be deleted again.

 

[O-tac]

I completely agree Ramsayite. Not even the fact that the Greenline is going to solidly conservative ridings appears to help. Hopefully by the time the Federal election dust settles the money will already be banked. As for Smith and Poilievre, they will likely have a chummy relationship so there wouldn’t be a clash.

Unless she’s pretending to support it, only for PP to take over, scrap the carbon tax then proclaim it was fake Trudeau money so the Feds can’t honour the deal anymore.

 

[badc0ffee]

Several comments that served only to drag a pointless flame war on further have been removed. Let's please keep this thread on topic going forward.

 

[Ramsayite]

Thanks. You missed a few from a specific poster, though.

 

[darwink]

Do we have an idea where they can make the turn into downtown though. 2nd? That is an issue with elevated. You can’t turn that thing on a dime between 2 towers.

There is room on 10th. Barely room on others but you need air easements. To make the curves you need to start the curve southwards before completing the curve northwards. Lets the turn start earlier.

 

[outoftheice]

This page from the 2008 Downtown LRT study says the minimum turning radius for a low floor LRV can be less than 20 metres and if you think of the low floor LRVs used in tram and streetcar systems, they frequently conduct 90⁰ turns at roadway intersections. With that in mind, I'm sure a low-speed turn from either 11th Ave or 10th Ave onto 2nd St could be conducted within an elevated guideway. Of course it would impact travel times but would still be better than the traffic lights on 7th Ave the Red/Blue lines deal with.

 

[FCC1982]

No, Dreeshan said they are keeping the low floor trains that have been ordered already.

Damn - That’s unfortunate.

 

[CalgaryTiger]

This is weird to think about it just came to me, Seton is the end of the line. You cannot go further south than that, ever, it seems. The north almost has endless expansion potential.

Also, had 4th to Shep eaten the whole budget or is 4th into downtown still within budget and just requires a new route?

My understanding is into downtown is still within budget if elevated. So then shouldn’t the next funding round go towards something north versus add on to the south. Shep should be a good new transit hub for the SE.

 

[maestro]

I'd love to believe that a future federal conservative government would maintain a consistent position vis-a-vis the Harper conservatives, but I'm not convinced. PP seems to be a fan of TOD and densification but his base sure isn't.

The "conservative" ideology has become increasingly inconsistent. It's unpredictable, reactionary populism at its worst. Absolutely chock-full of contradictions and hypocrisy.

It makes it very difficult to predict where a project like the green line will go. Any attempts at understanding it through a coherent a policy framework are wasted. It will be the whims of lobbyists and special interest groups that will determine the future of this and other rail projects. Gone are the days of stable, predictable worldview.

From an ideology of sensible investment and neoliberal pragmatism, conservatives have instead become the overly sensitive, identity-obsessed, pandering, big-government, ideologues that they once pretended to criticize.
Free speech "absolutists" that sure can't handle speech that offends them personally.

I won't attempt to provide any localized examples, lest my post be deleted again.

I'd love to believe that a future federal conservative government would maintain a consistent position vis-a-vis the Harper conservatives, but I'm not convinced. PP seems to be a fan of TOD and densification but his base sure isn't.

The "conservative" ideology has become increasingly inconsistent. It's unpredictable, reactionary populism at its worst. Absolutely chock-full of contradictions and hypocrisy.

It makes it very difficult to predict where a project like the green line will go. Any attempts at understanding it through a coherent a policy framework are wasted. It will be the whims of lobbyists and special interest groups that will determine the future of this and other rail projects. Gone are the days of stable, predictable worldview.

From an ideology of sensible investment and neoliberal pragmatism, conservatives have instead become the overly sensitive, identity-obsessed, pandering, big-government, ideologues that they once pretended to criticize.
Free speech "absolutists" that sure can't handle speech that offends them personally.

I won't attempt to provide any localized examples, lest my post be deleted again.

The crazies are in control on both sides of the political spectrum. This fear mongering is no longer valid.

Transit is highly lucrative through upzoning around stations to the most powerful players in the nation. I wouldn't be worried over conservative lobbying at the federal level cancelling transit investment. See Ontario.

 

[ahuch]

This is weird to think about just it just came to me, Seton is the end of the line. You cannot go further south than that, ever, it seems. The north almost has endless expansion potential.

Also, had 4th to Shep eaten the whole budget or is 4th into downtown still within budget and just requires a new route?

My understanding is into downtown is still within budget if elevated. So then shouldn’t the next funding round go towards something north versus add on to the south. Shep should be a good new transit hub for the SE.

More or less true, but if you think about it in a different lens... Seton is already starting to extend south beyond 212 Ave SE until it bumps into the river and acreages. The north side houses are pushing north past 144 Ave, so maybe 160 Ave? With more room to grow towards Airdrie. Either way I think the North needs the next chunk of funding if we're even able to build to Shepard.

 

[Ramsayite]

The crazies are in control on both sides.

Nah, this is a thing politically illiterate people say.