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No kidding:eek::mad:........And what the hell is grandparenting?

T.O. startup plans on hold as ratification stalled

Toronto's Mayor David Miller says an announcement of plans to get the city back to work is on hold, as neither city union has agreed yet to a back-to-work protocol.

"We have been working on that with Local 79 and Local 416, but neither has signed at the moment," he said at a Wednesday news conference. "I regret that, but that's not entirely within our control."

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/lo...to_strike_090729/20090729/?hub=TorontoNewHome

I suspect that "gradparenting" is what "grandfathered" used to be, it sounds like a new PC term.
 
I'm all for promoting the use of gender-neutral terms, but that doesn't really make a lot of sense. The term "grandfathered" has a very specific, if dark, origin in the Jim Crow American South.

On second thought, maybe it's not such a bad idea to get away from that.

Sort of like when they renamed Mountain Street in Montreal to "Rue de la Montagne," even though it had been named for Bishop Mountain.
 
UWorkers were off the job for 5 weeks, no doubt many of them got in financial straights because of it. I imagine many of them are going to cash out on their existing sick bank to get back on their feet.
Oh come on, financial straights after only 5 weeks for people making 50 grand a year? And didn't these guys get any strike pay?
 
Confusion Abounds

City workers set to return to work Friday

Outside workers, including garbage collectors, to vote on the deal Thursday

Jul 29, 2009 11:59 PM

John spears
Kenyon Wallace
Staff Reporters

Toronto's 30,000 striking civic workers are set to return to work at last tomorrow after outside workers reached a deal late last night on back-to-work protocols.

The agreement came two confusing and chaotic days after locals 416 and 79 of the Canadian Union of Public Employees had said they had the basis for new contracts.

Local 79, representing 24,000 inside workers, ratified its contract yesterday and appears ready to return to work once the 6,000 outside workers, represented by Local 416, dismantle their picket lines.

It now appears that will happen very soon. Local 416 president Mark Ferguson announced last night his members will hold a ratification vote today and, if passed as expected, workers would resume regular shifts as of midnight.

But there is another potential hitch. City council is to meet tomorrow morning to examine the deals, but its approval is by no means certain. If council rejected the agreements, the strike presumably would resume.

The two sides supposedly had a deal to end the strike early Monday, but trash continued to pile up in parks because the city and the outside workers still hadn't finalized the wording of an agreement.

More importantly, they had not yet agreed on a back-to-work protocol, which included the thorny question of whether outside contractors would be allowed to help clean up temporary garbage dumpsites and the mess on city streets.

The two sides negotiated throughout yesterday. Ferguson said the deal they reached will allow city workers exclusively to work on the cleanup until Sunday night. If more cleanup work remains, the city will be allowed to hire private contractors to help.

With the city's controversial sick bank program still in the tentative deal, Mayor David Miller faces the prospect that, after all the agonizing negotiations, council could conceivably vote the agreements down.

Reporters quizzed the mayor yesterday afternoon about a provision in the tentative deal that gives current city employees the option to keep banking pay for unused sick time, or take an immediate cash payout. New employees will not have the option of banking unused sick days.

The mayor defended the deal, repeatedly saying sick bank program had been "eliminated." When pressed by reporters who noted employees would be able to continue to accumulate sick days, he eventually said the program was being "phased out."

He added that the provision almost certainly would have been retained in any agreement reached with an arbitrator if back-to-work legislation had been imposed.

The mayor depicted the pact on the sick bank as a victory for Torontonians, saying it wasn't until the city's public offer of July 10 that CUPE agreed to negotiate the issue.

"This is a very strong achievement," Miller said.

"Our goal was to constrain that liability. We've done that. We've achieved our bargaining goal."

He said the buyout provision would save the city money, but did not provide a specific estimate.

The agreement with CUPE, Miller said, includes wage increases of 1.75 per cent in the first year, 2 per cent in the second and 2.25 per cent in the third.

When he heard what was included in the tentative agreement, Councillor David Shiner (Ward 24, Willowdale) criticized the deal, calling it unfair to taxpayers.

"I'm against the plan. I think it's way too rich of a plan and taxpayers can't afford this," Shiner told the Star.

Councillor John Parker (Ward 26, Don Valley West) said the city "capitulated" on the sick bank issue and said he doesn't see himself voting in favour of the agreement tomorrow.

"It makes me wonder what the strike was all about. I thought the city was going to the wall on this," he said.

Source
 
Not surprising from the Post, but interesting (and encouraging based on my views) none the less.


Toronto on strike: Mayor faces backlash at City Hall over deal

Allison Hanes, National Post
Published: Wednesday, July 29, 2009

Hopes for an imminent end to the labour disruption were dashed on Wednesday as one union called off a ratification vote, the other refused to return to work in solidarity, councillors went into open revolt over the terms of the contract and Mayor David Miller desperately tried to sell the deal forged with the striking workers to a skeptical public.

The Mayor faced a political backlash at City Hall - which one councillor compared to his 2007 battle over new taxes - as it became clear the new collective agreement still contained its most controversial provision: a sick-day bank. Existing employees can continue to bank up to 18 sick days a year and cash them out for up to six months' paid leave when they retire.

New hires will move to a reformed illness and injury plan while current employees can also choose to switch over. If they opt out, they can either take a pay-out now or freeze their banked time and use it or cash out at retirement.

The Mayor insisted this clause is consistent with the city's bargaining goals.

"The sick bank has been eliminated in a way that's fair to the current workers, but it's gone," the embattled Mayor insisted to a reporter at City Hall. "This is a very strong achievement."

Challenged, during a testy exchange with the media, on the Orwellian nature of his assertion, the Mayor replied: "With great respect, I don't think this is doublespeak."

The new contract also includes wage increases of 1.75% in 2009, 2% in 2010, 2.25% in 2012, which the city's non-union employees have called a slap in the face. Those workers, who kept the city going through the strike, were stripped of their cost-of-living increases and bonuses this year as an austerity measure.

Councillors were outraged at the details of the tentative agreement.

"The Mayor caved in and he betrayed Torontonians and he let them down," said Councillor Denzil Minnan-Wong (Don Valley East).

"I cannot vote for this agreement. The No. 1 thing that I'm getting calls about from my residents and getting emails and phone calls from all across the city is you cannot give in on sick bank days and that is the No. 1 thing that we were supposed to do."

Everyone thought the strike was ending, with both unions set to vote yesterday on the deal. But CUPE Local 416 leader Mark Ferguson shocked the city when he called off a ratification vote, saying, "There are still outstanding issues that the city has yet to address." His union then spent the day locked in a basement room at the Delta hotel in Scarborough, refusing to speak to a throng of reporters. Last night, there were no reports of progress.

One union leader said the strikers are seeking an amnesty for members who violated the law during the strike. The union is also furious that the city wants to bring in non-union contractors to help with the post-strike cleanup.

Local 79, the city's inside workers, voted in favour of the contract offer yesterday. Last night, the city said inside workers could return to work at midnight yesterday. But Local 79 was directing workers back onto picket lines today. Their leader, Ann Dembinski, had suggested earlier in the day that her members would not go back to work until Local 416 takes a vote.

Meanwhile, even if the strike wins the workers' approval, Mr. Miller still needs 23 votes at City Council to ink the deal. The Mayor has called a special council meeting for Friday morning to "consider" the agreement.

Several councillors said they are being inundated with angry emails from constituents urging them to vote against the collective agreement.

Councillor Karen Stintz (Eglinton Lawrence) said the public expected the Mayor to hold the line on reforming the sick-day bank for indoor and outdoor workers, which represents $140-million of a $250-million liability on the city's books.

"He told us he was going to get rid of the liability, he didn't. He told us he was going to get rid of the sick bank, he didn't. He told us he was going to have wage increases in line with inflation, they're not," Ms. Stintz said. "We sustained a five-week strike and nobody knows why."

Councillor Cliff Jenkins (Don Valley West), a member of the employee and labour relations committee which set the city's bargaining position, said that even three weeks ago the Mayor was determined to end the sick bank completely and buy out all employees.

"It's really bizarre that he's going to ask council to approve something he himself opposed just a few days ago," Mr. Jenkins said.

While the tentative agreement includes a grandfathering clause that will still allow employees to bank more sick time, Mr. Miller insisted it will save the city "millions and millions and tens of millions of dollars" in the long run.

"Over time our liability will go down. This is a very significant liability. We have capped it with management in a slightly different way, we've now essentially capped it with the unions and that was our goal," the Mayor said. "Short-term disability doesn't create a liability like that."

Exactly how much the city will save could depend on how many existing employees make the switch to the new plan. Ms. Dembinski yesterday urged her members to stay on the current plan.

With 11th-hour doubt cast on the resolution of the strike, unions flexing their muscle and the Mayor embattled, councillor John Parker (Don Valley West) quipped: "You have to wonder who's in charge, the people or the unions."

Source

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Two related polls that I came across, the first from today's Toronto Star and the second from the Globe & Mail

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Source

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Source
 
Give me one logical reason that has nothing to with silly NDP-socialist thinking, of why Garbage collection should not be outsourced.
 
Councillors Will Decide

Of real interest here is a Toronto Star poll released this morning which is pretty much in line with the responses that I received by email from the Councillors who responded (I emailed each City Councillor asking them to consider rejecting the deals). It should be noted that only 31 of 44 Councillors are accounted for below.


WHICH WAY ARE COUNCILLORS LEANING?

City council is poised to vote tomorrow on deals reached with whatever agreements CUPE has ratified. Normally, Mayor David Miller has no problem getting a majority of the 44 councillors to back his important initiatives. The Star did a reality check yesterday, asking 31: "Knowing that city workers will keep and continue to contribute to a sick bank, will you support the deal to end the strike?"

6
Yes

11
No

4
Undecided

10
Declined comment

City workers back to work on Friday?


Unions appear ready to end strike at last, but city council vote looms on horizon
Jul 30, 2009 04:30 AM

John spears
Kenyon Wallace
Staff Reporters

Toronto's 30,000 striking civic workers are set to return to work at last tomorrow after outside workers reached a deal late last night on back-to-work protocols.

The agreement came two confusing and chaotic days after locals 416 and 79 of the Canadian Union of Public Employees had said they had the basis for new contracts.

Local 79, representing 24,000 inside workers, ratified its contract yesterday and appears ready to return to work once the 6,000 outside workers, represented by Local 416, dismantle their picket lines.

It now appears that will happen very soon. Local 416 president Mark Ferguson announced last night his members will hold a ratification vote today and, if passed as expected, workers would resume regular shifts as of midnight.

But there is another potential hitch. City council is to meet tomorrow morning to examine the deals, but its approval is by no means certain. If council rejected the agreements, the strike presumably would resume.

The two sides supposedly had a deal to end the strike early Monday, but trash continued to pile up in parks because the city and the outside workers still hadn't finalized the wording of an agreement.

More importantly, they had not yet agreed on a back-to-work protocol, which included the thorny question of whether outside contractors would be allowed to help clean up temporary garbage dumpsites and the mess on city streets.

The two sides negotiated throughout yesterday. Ferguson said the deal they reached will allow city workers exclusively to work on the cleanup until Sunday night. If more cleanup work remains, the city will be allowed to hire private contractors to help.

With the city's controversial sick bank program still in the tentative deal, Mayor David Miller faces the prospect that, after all the agonizing negotiations, council could conceivably vote the agreements down.

Reporters quizzed the mayor yesterday afternoon about a provision in the tentative deal that gives current city employees the option to keep banking pay for unused sick time, or take an immediate cash payout. New employees will not have the option of banking unused sick days.

The mayor defended the deal, repeatedly saying sick bank program had been "eliminated." When pressed by reporters who noted employees would be able to continue to accumulate sick days, he eventually said the program was being "phased out."

He added that the provision almost certainly would have been retained in any agreement reached with an arbitrator if back-to-work legislation had been imposed.

The mayor depicted the pact on the sick bank as a victory for Torontonians, saying it wasn't until the city's public offer of July 10 that CUPE agreed to negotiate the issue.

"This is a very strong achievement," Miller said.

"Our goal was to constrain that liability. We've done that. We've achieved our bargaining goal."

He said the buyout provision would save the city money, but did not provide a specific estimate.

The agreement with CUPE, Miller said, includes wage increases of 1.75 per cent in the first year, 2 per cent in the second and 2.25 per cent in the third.

When he heard what was included in the tentative agreement, Councillor David Shiner (Ward 24, Willowdale) criticized the deal, calling it unfair to taxpayers.

"I'm against the plan. I think it's way too rich of a plan and taxpayers can't afford this," Shiner told the Star.

Councillor John Parker (Ward 26, Don Valley West) said the city "capitulated" on the sick bank issue and said he doesn't see himself voting in favour of the agreement tomorrow.

"It makes me wonder what the strike was all about. I thought the city was going to the wall on this," he said.

With files from Daniel Dale

Source
 
WHICH WAY ARE COUNCILLORS LEANING?

City council is poised to vote tomorrow on deals reached with whatever agreements CUPE has ratified. Normally, Mayor David Miller has no problem getting a majority of the 44 councillors to back his important initiatives. The Star did a reality check yesterday, asking 31: "Knowing that city workers will keep and continue to contribute to a sick bank, will you support the deal to end the strike?"

6
Yes

11
No

4
Undecided

10
Declined comment

Although I support Miller's compromise, I think we could have held out longer and if those numbers are any indication, its possible that we may.

If council shoots down this agreement, Miller is finished. We'll also be looking at the strike lasting until at least the fall until union members crack under the stress of no regular salary.

I'm leaving the country for 2 weeks. It'll be interesting if I come back and notice overflowing garbage bins :)
 
Although I support Miller's compromise, I think we could have held out longer and if those numbers are any indication, its possible that we may.

If you support Miller's "compromise", why would you want to hold out longer?
 
Last night's press conference versus this morning's papers

So the wife & I actually watched the Rogers live feed from the press conference last night, then I spent some time this morning looking at the various articles in the papers, online, and here. And, maybe I'm the only person in Toronto that thinks this, but here goes:

1. Mayor Miller won this contract, and maybe by a fair amount more than his many, many critics who have yet to see the details seem to think.

2. As an aside, it's not just Sue-Ann Levy from the Sun who's a complete nut job in the city beat press corps (she almost out-and-out lies this morning by comparing the first three years of a backloaded four year offer with the three year contract agreed to), they're all bananas (Royson James from the Star was completely incoherent.)

From what I was able to glean between all the point-scoring questions, I think that not only are all new hires denied the sick days bank, but all employees with less than 10 years tenure are subject to a compulsory buyout from the plan (Miller kept talking about them as 'not vested', which seems to imply they were getting a compulsory change to STD, but getting compensated.) As well, everyone else has the option to take a buyout up front, and some will (the mayor was not willing to speculate on how many people would take that.)

This contract has set two things into motion for the rest of the upcoming contract talks with the police, fire dept, TCHC, etc. -- a structure for how the sick days banks will die, and a much lower annual bump (1-2% versus the 3% numbers in the other contracts.)

Given that a left-of-centre mayor was not going to touch the third rail of contracting out, I think he actually put together a solid contract and most of the people that are really angry are angry at the mayor for not taking away more things, faster -- which, when you think about it, means they're really mad at the unions' privileges. Combined with the extreme, rigid position of the inside workers' rep, who really seemed out of touch with the general population, I think Mayor Miller looked a lot better than either the unions and, quite frankly, the press.

I look forward to the next election -- assuming the right can field a credible candidate, I expect to see a platform that contains outsourcing and a bridge to the Island airport, cutting city government and holding the line on taxes (if not even a symbolic cut). Miller will need to defend his record on each of those positions, and explain his vision of Transit City. That sounds like a great election debate!

But, unless the right can get its act together behind someone who can articulate what they'll do differently, given Toronto's traditionally lefty sensibilities and his much, much better defense and articulation of his positions, I bet he wins again.
 
The eternal struggle.....

"which, when you think about it, means they're really mad at the unions' privileges" Taken out of a larger post but this kinda sums up in my opinion the true underlying cause for the bitterness towards unions regardless of what they do. Envy and jealousy. People just want to see others torn down because they don't have the same perks.
 
"which, when you think about it, means they're really mad at the unions' privileges" Taken out of a larger post but this kinda sums up in my opinion the true underlying cause for the bitterness towards unions regardless of what they do. Envy and jealousy. People just want to see others torn down because they don't have the same perks.

This argument might hold water if it weren't the public service. I'm not mad that I'm not getting these perks, I'm upset because I'm forced to pay for these perks. If this were done in a private company, I would be none of my concern. That it's done in a monopoly I have to pay into by law, is aggravating.

And don't tell me "just get a public union job, then". That's like saying "just win the lottery like that guy, then." The way our economy works does not allow the structure under which public unions function to be implemented for everyone.
 
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This argument might hold water if it weren't the public service. I'm not mad that I'm not getting these perks, I'm upset because I'm forced to pay for these perks. If this were done in a private company, I would be none of my concern.

Exactly. A while ago people would always talk about the great benefits that google employees enjoy and the amazing facilities they get to use and nobody has any ill will towards those because its a private company doing things on their own dime.
 

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