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I'm not sure it's necessarily true that the Vaughan development will be built around road infrastructure if the subway line is completed. Vaughan and York Region councillors aren't crazy. They're not going to spend hundreds of millions of dollars for nothing. I completely agree that a much denser subway network is needed in Toronto's inner city before we build out to the suburbs.

Instead, Scarborough will retain its SRT.It would be too devastating to the community to lose four stops. A subway would have only two stops.

Oh so this is the excuse now. Yeah, it really would be devastating if Scarborough lost Ellesmere station. What ever would the industrial park do if Midland were closed?

I find it incredibly hard to believe that 100km of streetcar could be built for a billion dollars. The Exhibition streetcar extension from Queens Quay and Spadina to Lakeshore and Bathurst, less than one kilometre, cost $13.25 million.
 
In complete agreement about improving subway infrastructure within the city, rather than to the suburbs. Scarborough should most certainly rank far ahead of Vaughan when it comes to building new subways.

One of the first and most important subways I would like to see in the next 30 years is an Eglinton subway.

I also would love it if someone could come up with a fix for the problems along Keele. It seems to be a pretty popular bus route, but its is almost perpetually in gridlock around the St. Clair and Dundas areas. The ridership along Keele-Weston as far as Black Creek would improve tremendously if there was a faster transit alternative.
 
The Weston bus is one of the worst in the city. I have friends who lived at Weston and Oak, and the Weston bus sometimes took over an hour to get from there to Keele station.
 
Keele's a busy route, but the service levels don't quite match the demand or the need. Park of Keele's problem is all the turns that bus has to make because Keele is disjointed between Yore and St. Clair. I think that bus would be a bit better using Weston to Rogers (and avoiding St. Clair), and leave Old Weston Road to the Symington bus.
 
Yet another article about the RT written by a fool who's never been to Scarborough. I'm surprised he didn't throw in "Sheppard subway to nowhere" as a reflex.

Moribund neighbourhoods? Is this guy for real? Scarborough's not even built out fully yet...9 of 10 Scarborough wards are growing faster than the Toronto average. There are numerous infill and redevelopment projects completed and planned, and some more have been rejected partially because of insufficient subway infrastructure. If Scarborough has moribund areas, than what would you call Flemingdon Park, Jane & Finch, Rexdale, etc.? Oh yeah, I remember...areas that need subway extensions.

Streetcars to Pickering? LOL...might as well run streetcars to Peterborough, too, for all the good that will do. I can really picture people lining up at Liverpool Road to spend 3 hours on a streetcar to get into Toronto, or even 90 minutes on them, shuttling around Scarboruogh trying to get to the subway.

A subway along the route they've chosen (because there's only one option they've ever looked at, which is tunnelling under detached houses via Brimley & Lawrence) would eliminate three (more like two, really) stops, not four, since Lawrence would just be moved (albeit to somewhere more readily reached by patrons of the 54 who make up a majority of the station's riders). A refurbished RT would not combine Midland and Ellesmere into one useful station as a subway along the same route could do, removing the transfer at Kennedy at the same time. Another valid subway route is east along Eglinton, then north along Danforth, then McCowan, but the TTC is so obtuse I bet they didn't even notice that Kennedy station is already aligned this way, making the Brimley & Lawrence approach a truly awkward tunnelling job. And if they went along the RT corridor, they wouldn't need to tunnel, but that's another matter entirely.

Midland station is virtually worthless. Yet, I do sympathize with the poor Atlantic cardboard plant, the city waste vehicle depot, the auto wreck yard, the U-store-it place, the assortment of industrial units, and the 50 homes that all lie around Midland station...whatever will they do? They'll take the 57 from Kennedy station, that's what they'll do - it's faster than the RT. I'm serious - I've timed it!

Ellesmere station is a joke and rightfully so - if it was closed less than 1000 people would have reason to complain. A proper connection with the 95 here or farther east would mean 5000+ riders added to the corridor, some of them diverted from Yonge. Unfortunately, neither RT refurbishment plans nor subway extensions address this.

Half the people that use McCowan station are being picked up or dropped off because there is no suitable site to do so at STC station. The subway station would almost certainly have an exit right at McCowan or within metres, easily serving a larger area than the current RT station at STC. Simple pedestrian tunnels or bridges would be all that is needed to connect a STC subway station with both the eastern side of McCowan and the western side of Brimley, offering total coverage of STC with one station (instead of the three RT stations we'll end up with...the TTC really wants that Brimley stop added some day!).

"It's an ambitious plan, even visionary, built on the notion that you can build 100 kilometres of surface rapid transit for the same price as 1 kilometre of subway."

Fact check on prune juice, Bob, fact check on prune juice...

edit - and he says Scarborough councillors are "brave"? They've taken a position that is almost universally opposed by Scarborough residents, not that they give a damn about municipal politics, anyway. Wow, give these guys the Victoria Cross, for valour "in the face of the enemy," the enemy being their own constituents.
 
LOL! The only station worth it's weight between STC and Kennedy is Lawrence East, that's for sure. Midland's not that important, but I'm sure some people would not like the longer ride to Kennedy Station, but Midland's not even a busy route.

Of course, you probably know it would be almost impossible (and not even worthwhile) to use the SRT alignment for the subway, thanks to the tight curves and the poor land uses around the old CN Uxbridge Sub. They probably chose the best alignment for the subway when it was an alternative.
 
"Midland's not that important, but I'm sure some people would not like the longer ride to Kennedy Station"

If it means avoiding the RT, lots of people wouldn't mind taking the Midland bus for another 5-10 minutes...they'd still often get to Kennedy station quicker than the RT and it means one less transfer, with or without refurbished RT cars.

"Of course, you probably know it would be almost impossible (and not even worthwhile) to use the SRT alignment for the subway, thanks to the tight curves and the poor land uses around the old CN Uxbridge Sub. They probably chose the best alignment for the subway when it was an alternative."

The only tight curve is just north of Ellesmere and it's no tighter than anything around the YUS loop (there's plenty of room to build a realigned Kennedy station in the hydro corridor underneath and north of Eglinton, which would then allow them to run it through the hydro corridor, which would then allow a future Eglinton LRT/subway to use the existing Kennedy station, but that's more of a tangent :) ). "Poor" land use means lots of opportunity for easy redevelopment, or even acquiring the land and running a subway at grade for a while.

Anyway, I've been looking much more favourably towards an Eglinton/Danforth/McCowan route lately...it's clearly a far better option than tunnelling underneath the diagonal "rail corridor." The Stouffville corridor area would be well served by GO improvements, although having the B/D and Sheppard lines run into STC together would have saved a bit of money and made their connection easier. But now that the Sheppard line will become a streetcar, there's no benefit.

The TTC as a whole is not very imaginative - I sincerely doubt that they examined the Eglinton/Danforth/McCowan alignment when the subway was still on the table (really, it was never on the table) and running a subway up the RT's alignment could admittedly present some tricky challenges (when compared to the ease and breeze of wonderful new LRT lines, anyway). They probably had a partial EA completed from 1978 that showed them an alignment via Brimley & Lawrence was "best" and they're sticking to it. It's the fact that there was no discussion of alignments that bothers me most.

The only way in which the Brimley & Lawrence route is best is in terms of travel time from STC (even though half the people that take buses to STC could easily be diverted elsewhere), but the other two routes would only be marginally longer (and if they offer better access for more people, it truly would be marginal, like a minute, maybe 2). Even if they bury the entire hydro corridor and fill that space with 20 condos (unlikely), tunnelling under the St. Andrews/Brimorton area will surely not be easy or particularly cheap.

It's just so frustrating that their minds are made up before even contemplating what other corridors will look like in the future - they can't plan rapid transit in this area without taking Sheppard and the Stouffville GO line into consideration, but they've managed to do so with this doomed "web of streetcars." After all, why would Scarborough need anything else as long as Finch, Eglinton, and Kingston get streetcars?
 
From: www.insidetoronto.ca/to/s...carborough
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Kingston Road transit survey distributed
Streetcar line along road among options being considered

MIKE ADLER
Sep. 22, 2006

A travel survey of 13,000 Scarborough homes may help decide Kingston Road's future.
The city is considering ways it could promote public transit along the busy road, a separated streetcar line being one of the possibilities.

Surveys sent this month along Kingston Road to households between Victoria Park and Eglinton avenues ask residents where they travel on a typical weekday. Answers returned on-line or by mail, residents are being told, will help the city plan improvements to the road, its streetscape and its transit service.

Kingston Road is a busy commuter route, but it's not an easy place to use transit, according to Rod McPhail, the city's transportation planning director.

Buses on Kingston turn off the road to reach the next subway station, making it hard to travel the corridor by bus, he said.

"It's a corridor that could really use some better transit."

The city, hoping to build up possible transit routes, has budgeted money to study the Kingston Road corridor. The study, likely starting early in 2007, will work with businesses and residents to explore several options over the next two years.

Then, after city council makes a decision, the improvement plan would go to the provincial government for approval, McPhail said.

Options to improve transit use may include streetcars or buses running in a separate lane or adding a streetcar line in mixed traffic.

But there's "no preconceived conclusion," stressed McPhail, who said the chosen plan should serve to improve the appearance of the street.

Ward 36 Councillor Brian Ashton (Scarborough Southwest) welcomed the survey last week, saying residents along the corridor, which is in his ward, have noticed traffic congestion on Kingston Road.

The city must find out how the area fits into a larger transportation puzzle, added Ashton, who is also a TTC commissioner.

"Our transit alternative isn't appealing to a lot of people. We have to change that."
 
For the kingston rd EA, they should probably remove some stops and add a "local" bus. Ive said this before, but if time stopped is the majority of trip time, they should probably think about it.

And secondly, the only reason the srt went obsolete, in my opinion, was because it could'nt accomodate the upgraded higher-capacity cars which the EA plans to upgrade to now.

Third, the rt row cannot be used for subway because it isnt wide enough.
 
"And secondly, the only reason the srt went obsolete, in my opinion, was because it could'nt accomodate the upgraded higher-capacity cars which the EA plans to upgrade to now."

It would still be an orphaned pain in the ass.

"Third, the rt row cannot be used for subway because it isnt wide enough."

There's a hydro corridor right next to it. If they're gonna run streetcars in the hydro corridor north of Finch, they can run a subway in this one.
 
The Soberman Report

G&M

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Traffic crisis looms, report warns
GTA has no plan to address extra crush of swelling population, consultant says

JEFF GRAY

Think traffic is bad now? Just wait till 2031, a new report warns, when morning rush hours will see 100,000 extra cars jam Toronto's roads and 50,000 new riders crowd onto its public transit system as the region's population swells to eight million.

And to begin preparing for what could be a transportation mess, the report suggests, it may be necessary to show some politicians the door.

The study, commissioned by a construction industry coalition and led by respected transportation consultant Richard Soberman, criticizes the provincial government for having no plan to deal with the coming crush of cars and people.

"The hard, cold facts of the matter are that today, there is no such thing as a GTA transportation plan," Dr. Soberman, an emeritus professor of civil engineering at the University of Toronto, told a news conference at Queen's Park yesterday.

The study also suggests that politicians, who come to the table with inherently "short-term" outlooks, should have a reduced role in running transit agencies such as the Toronto Transit Commission or the province's new Greater Toronto Transportation Authority.

"There's nothing wrong with elected officials, but they are not necessarily the people who can take the hard look at needs and priorities and spend money in the proper fashion," Dr. Soberman said.

The city councillors that sit on the TTC are too focused on the next election, he argued, and are unlikely to support good ideas that are unpopular in their own wards.

He said the move to put more politicians on the TTC in the 1990s was partly responsible for bad decisions that have seen public transit stagnate in Toronto, even more than a lack of funding from provincial and federal governments.

And if the GTTA is to succeed in co-ordinating public transit and major roads across the region, he argued, it has to be a politician-free zone, too.

"The mayor of East Gwillimbury is going to be voting on whether the TTC is going to have new buses. And that's no way to run a railroad," Dr. Soberman said, adding that the province must also give the new body dedicated funds.

Failed mayoral candidate Jane Pitfield raised the idea of reducing the role of politicians on the TTC during her campaign, but Mayor David Miller rebuffed it.

TTC chairman Howard Moscoe says stripping the TTC or the GTTA of its politicians is a bad idea.

"The problem that the TTC had, was that it was not political, and its board was made up of so called citizens appointees -- you can read that as patronage appointments," he said, pointing out that Jeffery Lyons, the lobbyist involved with the city's computer-leasing scandal, was once an appointed TTC commissioner.

Mr. Moscoe was accused of "political interference" in TTC labour relations and its recent purchase of 234 subway cars through a $674-million sole-source contract with Bombardier.

With politicians making the decisions, voters have more control over their public services, he said: "Our boards of directors are elected, because we're a democracy."

Dr. Soberman's report also takes issue with the City of Toronto's Official Plan, saying road expansion will be necessary, despite the plan's emphasis on addressing future growth with only public transit.

"Without any road construction any place in the City of Toronto 25 years from now, you're either going to see very, very acute congestion and frustration, or the city is not going to achieve its aspirations for employment growth," Dr. Soberman said. "New employment is going to go someplace else."

The report says the lack of a long-term transportation strategy has led to a piecemeal approach to funding public transit, which makes it impossible to plan for the future.

"We really have to put a stop to the kind of funding that is very short term, and which picks particular projects that make great photo opportunities," Dr. Soberman said.

His study, funded by the Residential and Civil Construction Alliance, took the province's population growth plans for the next 25 years and looked at where jobs were likely to locate in order to project what rush hour would look like in 2031, assuming current travel patterns continue.

The report predicts more travel between Toronto and its exploding suburbs, and between suburbs, as jobs and people remain dispersed.

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National Post

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Traffic woes will get much worse
study: Hundreds of thousands of more cars expected in next 25 years

Katie Rook
National Post

Friday, November 17, 2006


Your daily commute is only going to get worse, a new study warned yesterday, with hundreds of thousands of more cars expected to clog GTA roadways during the morning rush hour in the next 25 years.

Residents of high-growth areas without comprehensive transit systems, such as Brampton, are likely to suffer the worst, said Richard Soberman, lead author of the study, commissioned by the Residential and Civil Construction Alliance of Ontario.

"Those living in places with projected employment and development changes are likely to be in the most trouble, unless transportation systems are implemented," he said.

More than $1-billion must be spent on GTA transportation infrastructure immediately, he said.

The study, Transportation Challenges in the Greater Toronto Area, was released yesterday. It targets the City of Toronto's official plan, which promotes transit, not new roadways.

''Companies will be forced to leave the downtown and move to the 905 area to be close to their workers. Toronto can probably kiss its aspirations for employment growth goodbye,'' he said.

Using development and population growth patterns outlined by a recent Ontario government report, Places To Grow, the study anticipates a GTA transportation infrastructure ill-equipped to handle swelling populations.

By 2031, about 146,000 Markham commuters will flood the roadways during the peak morning commute, joining an additional 80,000 Vaughan commuters and 154,000 from Brampton, the study finds.

The influx will cripple already-congested transportation routes, which TD Bank Financial Group estimates is already costing the GTA $2-billion annually.

The study predicts that over the next two decades, the Brampton 407 area will see an increase of about 140,000 jobs, while Markham and other communities along Highway 404 will host more than 120,000 additional jobs.

Despite considerable growth, Brampton, for example, is poorly served by transit, and is centred among a maze of already-congested highways and roadways, he said. Those who live in such a place or commute to it for work will become stranded.

"Even though most of the growth is occurring outside downtown Toronto, the city is still dominant in terms of work and therefore the people that are going to have the greatest difficulty are people going downtown who don't live in locations that have rail," he said.

Simply moving near your workplace is not enough in an era where people switch jobs often, he said.

"The argument can be that, 'Well, so what, the guys who live in 407 Brampton [area] will work there, they'll live there. It's not a big deal.' But the world has changed ... today people change jobs every four to five years, it's a whole different kind of economic base," he said.

His report recommends GTA municipalities consider public-private partnerships to expand transportation infrastructure, and dismisses the environmental assessment process as ''one of the surest means of ensuring nothing gets done.''

And it calls on the provincial government to declare transit an essential service, prohibiting strikes and lockouts in favour of binding arbitration.

Mr. Soberman harshly criticized the new St. Clair Avenue streetcar right-of-way in Toronto, saying the city badly needs more subways.

"We need to have underground construction because the streets simply won't take it," Mr. Soberman said. "The problem we've had in the last two decades is that we insist on building subways where the people aren't. The people happen to be on Queen Street, on King Street, on Eglinton Avenue."

New roads must also be built, he added, because many people travel from suburb to suburb not connected by bus or rail.

"We all love transit, but it's just not going to do everything for everyone, we're going to have to build some roads," Mr. Soberman said.

The Residential and Civil Construction Alliance of Ontario is compromised of labour and management groups in the construction industry.

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Long-term funding needed, author says
Put experts, not politicians, in charge: report

Katie Rook
National Post

Friday, November 17, 2006

A better commute begins with better management of the GTA's transportation system, a new report from urban planner Richard Soberman says.

The study -- Transportation Challenges in the Greater Toronto Area -- says the new Greater Toronto Transportation Authority should be stacked with experts, not politicians.

And it should be given real power: control over provincial and federal funding.

The $6-billion in recent government investment has focused on short-term projects, leaving the GTA without any long-term, predictable funding, the study finds.

"We need to put a stop to funding which is very short-term and picks particular projects, which provide great photo opportunities and there is no long-term commitment. There are also a lot of announcements, which are exactly that announcements and the funds never appear," Mr. Soberman says.

"No organization can function if it doesn't know what its future revenues are going to be or what they're like to be, it doesn't matter what kind of organization you have."

The McGuinty government this year created the GTTA, and named outgoing Burlington mayor Rob MacIsaac as its chairman, aiming to co-ordinate transportation policy across the many municipalities of the sprawling region.

But Mr. Soberman said the process must be depoliticized.

"It's all pointless because you don't have the right guys making the right decisions," he says.

"There is nothing wrong with elected officials but they are not necessarily the people who can take a hard look at needs and priorities and spend money in the most proper fashion. For one thing, they are elected for a short period of time ... they have obvious conflicts of interest."

The GTTA should look at implementing a single smart card covering the TTC, York Region Transit, Mississauga Transit and GO Transit, the study finds.
 
"We all love transit, but it's just not going to do everything for everyone, we're going to have to build some roads," Mr. Soberman said.

Compared to other much larger cities Toronto has enough roads. More roads fits into a suburban development style complete with gridlock. Manhattan is served by a 6 lane freeway with a population far greater than Toronto. Tokyo, population 12 million in city proper, has a tollway network but each route only has two lanes in each direction yet doesn't see any more gridlock than Toronto. Why? Because freeways cause gridlock. Transit and tollways solve gridlock. At one point the 401 was the busiest stretch of freeway in the world... but Toronto is nowhere near the largest city in the world. Freeways don't work in urban environments.
 
We have mass transit, multi-lane highways and are finally seeing HOV lanes on existing highways. Why should one always weep for the lone driver?
 
"Compared to other much larger cities Toronto has enough roads."

I think a few small connecting roads would be of great use, though. Leslie through Leaside, a Rathburn bridge, etc. I guess they could create more traffic than they're worth, but surface transit routes would love them.
 
You don't need to build a road for service transit. A transit ROW like the one mentioned in the Redway Rd area for the Don Mills RT would work far better if general traffic is not invited.
 

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