kEiThZ
Superstar
Could Thorncliffe Park not be served by a stop at Overlea and Don Mills? The idea behind my proposal is to make it easier for the DRL to be extended along Don Mills eventually.
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Paleo
Active Member
Saying that a stop at Overlea and Don Mills serves Thorncliffe Park is like saying Kensington Market or Chinatown is served by the Spadina subway station.
It's too far away to be practical.
Amphibius
Banned
But does one station at East York Town Centre Mall really cater to all of Thorncliffe Park residents' transit needs? Feeder buses will still be required to take passengers to/from their homes along Thorncliffe Pk Dr down from the subway, so in ways the time differential from instead opting to route from Overlea/Don Mills is minimal.
But the lack of 'liveliness' is advantageous in this case. Replacing the 22/70 buses along lower-density Coxwell with a subway has far less of an impact than removing the 72/81 buses would on local residents along Pape where bus stops occur every 200m. A higher population density relies on each of those individual local stops and may object to the larger spacing gaps of Transit City or a subway line upon which Cosburn would be the only stop chosen for Pape north of The Danforth.
The station locations selected for Coxwell (most likely Queen, Gerrard, Danforth, Mortimer and O'Connor) would ensure that area residents are within 5-6 blocks walking distance of a station; would have self-sustaining trip-generators within their vicinities (Beaches/Beaches Cinema complex, Gerrard India Bazaar, East York Civic Ctr/East Toronto General); and suburban feeder routes from the east, funnelling in thousands more commuters in from Scarborough (via Kingston Rd, O'Connor Dr trippers) on a daily basis than a Pape alignment ever could aspire to generate.
toraerach
Active Member
First of all, we have to remember the whole point of this subway is to relieve Yonge-Bloor. I don't know if an alignment that far East will have the same impact on traffic through that station as one along Pape, or even coming from Donlands for that matter.
Secondly, I don't think I've heard this argument that you're making before - that less dense corridors should get higher order transit because there already aren't as many stops. Stations along Pape and Coxwell would be spaced similarly, and I see no reason why people on Pape can't walk as far as people along Coxwell. When you have bus service, you need more stops for higher densities. Subway stations need that density to thrive. Surface routes to the stations will exist regardless of where it goes - doesn't it make more sense to put the line further West? I mean, it would make more sense for someone heading downtown from Kingston Road and Victoria Park or from Queen and Coxwell or wherever to travel West to connect to the subway at Pape than for someone living at Queen and Pape to travel East to transfer at Coxwell.
The DRL will change travel patterns throughout the city, and the East End is no different. For example, frequent streetcar service between both Bingham and Neville Park Loops to the DRL would make the Beaches far more accessible. And for Southwest Scarborough - whatever happened to the Kingston Road LRT?
Railization
Active Member
A station located at the south side of the East York Town Centre complex, which the built form would seem to be capable of accomodating rather conveniently actually, would be able to provide service to all of Thorncliffe Park Dr. locations by being a short walk from anywhere along that road.
Anybody else wanna bet Amphibius is Dentrobate?
Anybody else wanna bet Amphibius is Dentrobate?
kEiThZ
Superstar
If the station has to be at East York Town Centre, does that rule out a station at Don Mills and Eglinton? It would seem to me that continuation along Don Mills would be priority #1 for any DRL after building the core portions.
kEiThZ
Superstar
Given how argumentative you were a few pages back, anybody could have made the same suggestion about you. It's best not to throw around accusations like that. The mods are on tops of this stuff. Let them make any decisions about identities.
CDL.TO
Moderator
Of course not. Why would it?
Amphibius
Banned
I picked up the idea from his SCC forum. I don't know about it being a short walk from anywhere though. The apartments at the bottom are a 25 minute walk away (I've travelled it). Feeder buses would still need to take folks to/from their homes down there, something still easily accomplishable with a straight Coxwell-Don Mills alignment.
Railization
Active Member
Not at all. That option remains wide open and feasable.
I don't think Don Mills needs to automatically be the #1 priority though. Let other alignments north of Eglinton be open to evaluation.
kEiThZ
Superstar
I thought there might be some tunnelling and engineering issues. Guess not.
Railization
Active Member
No, the same suggestions cannot be made about me, since I've met some of the mods for drinks before I even registered here. Furthermore, I don't see why you're using "argumentative" as a measuring stick for identifying Dentrobate when you are more argumentative than I. How argumentative the post was wasn't even the tip-off, it's the "content" (using the term loosely) of the argument, assuming you can tell the difference. Thanks for taking this way off topic. What were you saying earlier about somebody being a troll?
Railization
Active Member
There's actually a reasonable amount of wiggle room in this area, surprisingly.
kEiThZ
Superstar
I didn't make the suggestion that a member isn't who they say they are.
What were you saying earlier about somebody being a troll?
And did I start the discussion about another member here? As far as I can recall, I've stayed on point. Now back to the topic at hand.
nfitz
Superstar
You have to be kidding! I'm not excusing Keith here, but in terms of noise to signal ratio, your not exactly one to talk!