Dan416
Senior Member
And apparently the city's surplus this year was larger than expected. And people say subways are too expensive. Pshaw.
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And apparently the city's surplus this year was larger than expected. And people say subways are too expensive. Pshaw.
$3 billion in debt wouldn't be bad if that's all the City was responsible to repay, but there are other obligations lining up out the door. Toronto Hydro is carrying at least $500 million in debt; road repairs are ~$250 million in arrears; the capital budget is slashed annually as the pool of funds moving forward shrinks; there is a $400 million revenue/funding gap for 2010; without structural overhaul there will be $1.19 billion operational shortfall by 2019 according to the Toronto Board of Trade. We've gone from under $2b in 2003 to $3b in 2010. I'm worried about the draw down of strategic reserves and where the debt will be in 2014 or 2019; is $6 billion in debt on a $12 billion budget worrisome? At what point do we stop and see if this is the best course of action?The city's debt situation is pretty good, all things considered. 3 billion in debt on a 9 billion dollar budget is not worrisome, unless you're one of those 'all debt is bad' types. Ammortizing capital spending makes a ton of sense.
They are, ignoramus.
They are, ignoramus.
Question, why do some people here hate Transit City so much, yes its not perfect but there are other modes of rapid transit than a subway. I mean obviously Bus Rapid Transit would not be sufficient to serve somewhere like Eglinton Ave. (although its currently served by buses), but the point of Transit City is to expand rapid Transit with LRT which is fairly different when compared to the operation of streetcars. Transit City is meant to create sustainable transit at a realistic cost, in areas that don't necessarily constitute subway construction. LRT must be understood as different than streetcars, where streetcars usually operate in mixed traffic or their own right of ways stopping every couple of blocks, LRT runs on a right of way exclusively, usually with signal priority but only stopping at major streets, which is significant because it makes LRT rapid or express type service over local transit which is what a streetcar does
Hang on ... that YOU don't like. As has been pointed out previously, there are some serious flaws in your logic.Parts of Transit City We Don't Like
Hang on ... that YOU don't like. As has been pointed out previously, there are some serious flaws in your logic.
A) The majority of people polled on the parts of TC we don't like agreed (see the polls I did)
I realize you're new here but no one here has a problem with LRT. Yes, many of us have issues with parts of Transit City which don't make sense. If you'd read back some threads from a year or so ago and even more recently, you'd see why.
Parts of Transity City We Like
Eglinton Crosstown LRT - for the most part, people like this. Some people think the whole thing should be subway. Or cut off the above-ground LRT and just turn the tunnel into a subway. But either way, it's a generally good idea with a lot of support.
Finch West LRT - good idea again. Some people however think the Finch LRT should include Finch East as well
Waterfront West LRT - also generally well-supported. Some people think it should extend to Port Credit, but you can't really fault the TTC for not planning that; that's MT's job
Parts of Transit City We Don't Like
Sheppard East LRT - there is a subway going from Yonge to Don Mills that initially was planned to go to Scarborough Town Centre, and then got cut to Victoria Park, and then to Don Mills. It's only logical to finish this subway line as planned
SRT Replacement - this isn't really Transit City per se, but with Miller and co. planning to replace the SRT with LRT, it's all basically the same thing. The logical thing would be to extend the Danforth line two stops for an interchange with the Sheppard line to provide some semblance of a network in Scarborough
Which poll?
Funny coming from someone with the DRL as their avatar
Parts of Transit City We Don't Like
Sheppard East LRT - there is a subway going from Yonge to Don Mills that initially was planned to go to Scarborough Town Centre, and then got cut to Victoria Park, and then to Don Mills. It's only logical to finish this subway line as planned
SRT Replacement - this isn't really Transit City per se, but with Miller and co. planning to replace the SRT with LRT, it's all basically the same thing. The logical thing would be to extend the Danforth line two stops for an interchange with the Sheppard line to provide some semblance of a network in Scarborough
but the point of Transit City is to expand rapid Transit with LRT which is fairly different when compared to the operation of streetcars.
Parts of Transity City We Like
Eglinton Crosstown LRT - for the most part, people like this. Some people think the whole thing should be subway. Or cut off the above-ground LRT and just turn the tunnel into a subway. But either way, it's a generally good idea with a lot of support.
I understand that in theory both these projects SHOULD be completed as SUBWAYS. but with limited Money I think it isnt right that Scarborough gets 90% of the expansion and the rest of the city gets scraps.
Also, I don't know what planet you live on, but you seem to think money grows on trees. You must be a winner at budgeting your finances!
Why do you make stuff up here? Don Mills to Morningside on LRT is about 12 km. At the 23-km/hr speed of the LRT it will take 31 minutes. The bus at rush-hour takes 43 minutes. The LRT will take 12 minutes less (about 40% less time) than bus. If you then replaced the LRT by subway (ignore the $3.5 billion it would take to build a subway to Morningside) it would about 23 minutes at 31 km/hr - a savings of another 8 minutes; another 35% savings.The Sheppard LRT is just barely faster than a bus. We need something much faster, like a Subway as it was planned.