doady
Senior Member
If she had made a map all by herself, probably no one would be complaining, even if her system is exactly the same as depicted by Miguel's map. But it is not her drawing, it is Miguel's, and she did not credit him.
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If she had made a map all by herself, probably no one would be complaining, even if her system is exactly the same as depicted by Miguel's map. But it is not her drawing, it is Miguel's, and she did not credit him.
Irishmonk
Senior Member
As much as I favour road or congestion tolls, raising property and consumption taxes is a far more equitable and efficient way to raise the revenue needed for such a massive public works project. The administration for such tax collection is already in place whereas the operation for collecting tolls has yet to be developed and will require expensive set up and ongoing administration fees. In addition, everyone should pay for this transit system, not just a portion of commuters who are targeted because of where they happen to live and work.
I'm really not sure whether to take this candidate's proposal seriously or not. It seems like a quickly and somewhat casually manufactured ploy to get media attention (which worked) rather than a carefully thought out position resulting from extensive research and experience in the matter. I credit her for inserting public transit into the debate and offering a easily digestible contrast to Rossi's cynical and flippant auto-centric position. However, I think they're both drawing from the same well of PR flacks who favour divisive sound bytes over policy. And, as others have pointed out upthread the election of either one would offer the same immediate result: the cancellation of TC and another extended period of public transit stagnation.
I'm really not sure whether to take this candidate's proposal seriously or not. It seems like a quickly and somewhat casually manufactured ploy to get media attention (which worked) rather than a carefully thought out position resulting from extensive research and experience in the matter. I credit her for inserting public transit into the debate and offering a easily digestible contrast to Rossi's cynical and flippant auto-centric position. However, I think they're both drawing from the same well of PR flacks who favour divisive sound bytes over policy. And, as others have pointed out upthread the election of either one would offer the same immediate result: the cancellation of TC and another extended period of public transit stagnation.
GraphicMatt
Looking forward to a FRESH START for Toronto
Seriously: taking someone's work, slapping your own logo on it after spending two minutes in Photoshop, then calling it your own is not acceptable behaviour.
I'm willing to bet this was solely the work of a staff member and she's unaware how the map was produced, but I hope the situation gets cleared up.
I'm willing to bet this was solely the work of a staff member and she's unaware how the map was produced, but I hope the situation gets cleared up.
TOareaFan
Superstar
Well, I must have missed where she said it was her work. Anyway, it may all be moot.
The Star has been running an online poll and it would appear the idea is not gonna gain her too many votes:
As of a few minutes ago:
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picard102
Senior Member
Her logo is on it. That's enough. Whoever is working on her campaigns design team is a hack and a theif.
Dan416
Senior Member
I agree her stealing the map and then editing it to her own purposes (probably done by one of her staff) is somewhat dishonest and it is definitely stealing in every sense of the word, I still like her ideas. And she's opened up the debate. If anything, we should be encouraged that nearly 40% of the voters on TheStar.com supported her idea. It means road tolls aren't the big no-no they were before. And I'm sure when more people hear about this and realize what it's for, it'll gain more support. It's only logical.
kettal
Banned
It's so typical of somebody running a high-school project. Plagiarized graphics, unlicensed music, half-baked reasoning (90 years vs 30 years lifespan?), props, corny logos, glamour shots, talking to constituents as if they were toddlers.
I certainly applaud the affect this announcement will have on the whole campaign, but how anyone can take her seriously is beyond me.
I certainly applaud the affect this announcement will have on the whole campaign, but how anyone can take her seriously is beyond me.
lead82
Senior Member
It's true that her campaign could use some more professionalism and more accurate data. I must applaud her for bringing up the subway issue. It needs to be raised in a debate, and since she is a fringe candidate, at most she can do is to force the issues at debates, get attention and make the main candidates like Rossi and Smitherman listen to her ideas. Some may be wild (like $5 tolls) but others like subways expansion (DRL, finishing Sheppard) are right on the money. I may not agree with her plan entirely, but at least she has a position on the issue. Rossi just wants to cancel everything, but doesn't say what if anything he will do for transit (translation = little to nothing). Smitherman is deadly quiet on the issue.
Another point is that the mayor only has 1 vote, and Metrolinx/Province are already funding 4 lines, with construction about to begin on 3/4 this year. It is utter stupidity to cancel projects already under construction and go back to table and do more planning studies, EA's etc..
Another point is that the mayor only has 1 vote, and Metrolinx/Province are already funding 4 lines, with construction about to begin on 3/4 this year. It is utter stupidity to cancel projects already under construction and go back to table and do more planning studies, EA's etc..
TOareaFan
Superstar
Assuming a 48 work week year....this would cost a daily commuter/driver $2,400 per year....assuming a 40% tax rate...that is $6,000 in pre-tax earnings.
That is, likely, the biggest flaw in her plan. An additional cost of that magnitude overlayed on other expenses already in-place for getting to work is unlikely to garner much support at all.
A fifty year old person is not likely going to support a candidate that wants to take $6k of their earnings to fund something that won't make their commute/life any better until they retire.....in fact, they might actively work against that candidate.
Simply put, this plan puts too much burden on one group of people while not touching others (some of whom do the same thing...drive to work....but they don't use the Gardiner or DVP)
That is, likely, the biggest flaw in her plan. An additional cost of that magnitude overlayed on other expenses already in-place for getting to work is unlikely to garner much support at all.
A fifty year old person is not likely going to support a candidate that wants to take $6k of their earnings to fund something that won't make their commute/life any better until they retire.....in fact, they might actively work against that candidate.
Simply put, this plan puts too much burden on one group of people while not touching others (some of whom do the same thing...drive to work....but they don't use the Gardiner or DVP)
Justin10000
Banned
Still on crowded buses. If you are going to propose a network of subways, at least have the decency to service areas that would benefit. A 10-15min(longer actually) bus ride to two stations does not cut it.
Of course a ride that is much faster, and more predictable to a bus would be OK. Like an LRT line. Oh wait.....
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scarberiankhatru
Senior Member
No, the Spadina extension doesn't cut it, and neither does an Eglinton subway, and neither does improved service on all the GO lines. No, every pocket of people in the city, no matter how many people this is, needs their very own private rail transit line, because buses are just sooo icky and sooo horrible (and, often, so fast and reliable). Martin Grove & Steeles might be over 9 minutes from a subway station...what an injustice! Good thing Martin Grove and Steeles are both getting LRT lines!!! Oh, wait...
Justin10000
Banned
Here''s a great idea! Let's cut those subway lines in Scarborough, and instead build a network in Rexdale!! You love buses so much, YOU RIDE THEM!! YAY!!
Problem solved!
Let Scarberian take a 10-15 bus ride to a station!
Problem solved!
Let Scarberian take a 10-15 bus ride to a station!
kEiThZ
Superstar
How many of those Star voters are 416ers eligible to vote?
I am willing to bet that most 416ers would support road tolls. It's the 905ers voting against road tolls on thestar.
I am willing to bet that most 416ers would support road tolls. It's the 905ers voting against road tolls on thestar.
Dan416
Senior Member
Good point.
Torontovibe
Senior Member
It's always the same right-wing, anti-Toronto crowd on that site and most of them do not live in Toronto. As a matter of fact, many of them don't even live in Ontario. You can never assume that their views represent Torontonians.