[snowman123]

Does blame really need to shift? Is the general public actually of the belief that Trudeau was the brains of the operation?

He may have wound up being an ineffective cat herder in the end, but it's a hard sell to pin all the policy blame on him...

Not that I expect much policy change from a different party either. Doesn't matter what color the cape is when the Laurentian matador stays the same.

I disagree, he was driving the ship for the last 10 years. He is the one that said we are a Post Nation State, he is the one that told the whole world to come here, he is the one that lectured the US for not electing a female president. I do not expect things to magically get better with PP, but at this point, I frankly don't care. If a stapler was on the ballot box, it would have my vote.

 

[constance_chlore]

This is now your legacy, well done. Probably just as unpopular as PET.

Outside of Alberta, PET is widely considered one of the greatest PMs in Canada's history.

 

[HappyJazzz]

I disagree, he was driving the ship for the last 10 years. He is the one that said we are a Post Nation State, he is the one that told the whole world to come here, he is the one that lectured the US for not electing a female president. I do not expect things to magically get better with PP, but at this point, I frankly don't care. If a stapler was on the ballot box, it would have my vote.

Absolutely adorable

 

[MattPT]

Does blame really need to shift? Is the general public actually of the belief that Trudeau was the brains of the operation?

He may have wound up being an ineffective cat herder in the end, but it's a hard sell to pin all the policy blame on him...

Not that I expect much policy change from a different party either. Doesn't matter what color the cape is when the Laurentian matador stays the same.

I disagree, he was driving the ship for the last 10 years. He is the one that said we are a Post Nation State, he is the one that told the whole world to come here, he is the one that lectured the US for not electing a female president. I do not expect things to magically get better with PP, but at this point, I frankly don't care. If a stapler was on the ballot box, it would have my vote.

There’s your answer… people ARE stupid enough to believe governing a country is a one man show. It’s such a painful time to follow politics. So many ignorant confidant morons that didn’t give a shit about politics until YouTube or TikTok told them to. I miss the good old days of voter apathy.

 

[Whatup]

I feel we have become too bogged down, focused so much on the past and the present, elections also need to be about the future.

It will be interesting to see who decides to run and the effect it has on public sentiment. There is a dark horse candidate I am paying some attention to (not Carney) who keeps popping up who could surprise everyone if they decide to run and could really shake things up.

Nine years of Liberal rule, indisputably the worst government in Canadian history led my an unqualified narcissistic PM with more ethical violations than all other PMs combined - the past nine years have had a profound effect on the present situation Canada is in. A country full of resources and potential with stagnant GDP growth, a bloated inefficient and unproductive bureaucracy, rampant crime and a totally mismanaged immigration system. This election is already about the future and has been for a long time - the future is heavily impacted by the past nine years and it will take Canada at least a decade to try and fix this mess - in fact it might be beyond repair and the Canada we know now might look very different in the future. Good luck to PP and the Conservatives on a monumental task to save Canada.

 

[Whatup]

There’s your answer… people ARE stupid enough to believe governing a country is a one man show. It’s such a painful time to follow politics. So many ignorant confidant morons that didn’t give a shit about politics until YouTube or TikTok told them to. I miss the good old days of voter apathy.

Governing a country is obviously not a one man show, but in the Westminster Parliamentary system one person (the PM) has a massive amount of power - much more then the President in the USA with its various checks and balances.

 

[David A]

Does blame really need to shift? Is the general public actually of the belief that Trudeau was the brains of the operation?

He may have wound up being an ineffective cat herder in the end, but it's a hard sell to pin all the policy blame on him...

Not that I expect much policy change from a different party either. Doesn't matter what color the cape is when the Laurentian matador stays the same.

Yes, the animosity and negativity was very much directed towards almost totally to Trudeau, which now is a problem for the opposition, but I see the shifting has already begun.

I do feel that if the Liberals had a different leader, things would be done differently, so now will be the chance for some of them to make their case.

As for the supposed Laurentian label, lets not forget the Conservatives are now led by an MP from Ottawa who is running to replace a PM from Montreal and the Conservatives last two leaders were also from Ontario (although one moved west).

 

[policyenthusiast]

The changes (increase) to the capital gains inclusion rate are now abandoned due to Parliament proroguing, but the CRA still has to enforce them because Notice was filed. In order to make the changes "real", the policy amendments would need to be re-introduced and pass, in a government which now has no Liberal-NDP confidence agreement.

There are probably going to be a LOT of tax filing amendments for 2024.

https://betterdwelling.com/canada-to-enforce-capital-gains-change-hides-pandemic-sized-deficit/

 

[CplKlinger]

Or, at the very least some sort of recall mechanism within the party, or outside.

There is a "recall" method from outside the party:

"A confidence vote is a vote that determines whether the government has the support of the House of Commons. Votes on certain matters – such as the budget and the Speech from the Throne (the speech that opens each session of Parliament, in which the government outlines its upcoming priorities) – are automatically considered votes of confidence. The government may also designate a specific vote as a confidence vote. Opposition MPs can also request a vote of confidence through a motion (a proposal for an action that requires a decision from the House of Commons).

Traditionally, if a government loses a confidence vote, the Prime Minister and Cabinet will resign or ask the Governor General to dissolve Parliament. A federal election is then held. The Governor General can also call on the leader of the largest opposition party to try to form a new government, instead of having an election."

Singh single handedly propped up this circus for far too long. He is JT the second. He should be kicked out of office. Oh wait 2 months so he can have his pension.

It wasn't for his pension. it was because he was able to advance a lot of NDP priorities in return for supporting the government; such as the dental care program, pharmacare (assuming a province actually signs on before PP gets elected), enshrining the child care program in legislation, etc. Like it or not, it's perfectly normal under the Westminster Parliamentary system; two parties, representing a combined majority of voters, negotiated and compromised on policy proposals. Why would Singh and the NDP want to trash their best opportunity for a while to come at getting some of their priorities actually accomplished?

 

[HappyJazzz]

Yes, the animosity and negativity was very much directed towards almost totally to Trudeau, which now is a problem for the opposition, but I see the shifting has already begun.

I do feel that if the Liberals had a different leader, things would be done differently, so now will be the chance for some of them to make their case.

As for the supposed Laurentian label, lets not forget the Conservatives are now led by an MP from Ottawa who is running to replace a PM from Montreal and the Conservatives last two leaders were also from Ontario (although one moved west).

Per my prior posts, I'm not really impressed with any of the parties. Things are pretty grim for a lot of people right now, whoever takes the driver's seat next has a hell of a job on their hands, and given past performances I'm not sure any are up to the task.

Starting to think an EU style continental federation with free trade, open borders and common currency might not be the worst future...

So long as there's an emphasis on provincial/state rights, ie. Canadian provinces can continue to operate their own healthcare as is, Quebec can do whatever the hell it wants so long as it doesn't interfere with free trade, I think most people would barely notice a difference in their day to day lives.

 

[Kosy123]

The fact the pension discussion is even being brought up as to why Singh held a confidence and supply agreement with the Libs is the stupidest thing I've seen regarding the discourse around the Lib-NDP agreement. If you buy that, I'm sorry but I'm calling out the stupidity of that argument.

 

[David A]

The changes (increase) to the capital gains inclusion rate are now abandoned due to Parliament proroguing, but the CRA still has to enforce them because Notice was filed. In order to make the changes "real", the policy amendments would need to be re-introduced and pass, in a government which now has no Liberal-NDP confidence agreement.

There are probably going to be a LOT of tax filing amendments for 2024.

https://betterdwelling.com/canada-to-enforce-capital-gains-change-hides-pandemic-sized-deficit/

This could be a huge mess or it could be nothing. There are other parties that supported this tax change and other legislation which was not completed when Parliament was prorogued.

So I could see some clean up in late March or April, with some things of these things being reintroduced and passed before an election.

 

[policyenthusiast]

This could be a huge mess or it could be nothing. There are other parties that supported this tax change and other legislation which was not completed when Parliament was prorogued.

So I could see some clean up in late March or April, with some things of these things being reintroduced and passed before an election.

Probably a bureaucratic nightmare for the CRA either way, particularly given the uncertainty of if the policy can pass a second time.

 

[David A]

There is a "recall" method from outside the party:

"A confidence vote is a vote that determines whether the government has the support of the House of Commons. Votes on certain matters – such as the budget and the Speech from the Throne (the speech that opens each session of Parliament, in which the government outlines its upcoming priorities) – are automatically considered votes of confidence. The government may also designate a specific vote as a confidence vote. Opposition MPs can also request a vote of confidence through a motion (a proposal for an action that requires a decision from the House of Commons).

Traditionally, if a government loses a confidence vote, the Prime Minister and Cabinet will resign or ask the Governor General to dissolve Parliament. A federal election is then held. The Governor General can also call on the leader of the largest opposition party to try to form a new government, instead of having an election."


It wasn't for his pension. it was because he was able to advance a lot of NDP priorities in return for supporting the government; such as the dental care program, pharmacare (assuming a province actually signs on before PP gets elected), enshrining the child care program in legislation, etc. Like it or not, it's perfectly normal under the Westminster Parliamentary system; two parties, representing a combined majority of voters, negotiated and compromised on policy proposals. Why would Singh and the NDP want to trash their best opportunity for a while to come at getting some of their priorities actually accomplished?

Yes, a lot of the Conservative communication about things like pensions here is intentionally misleading. They of course are very eager to have an election right now, because it looks like they will do well which could change over time or with a different PM, so they have self interest too. Of course it is in the NDP's interest to get as much done now of their policies as they can because of the influence they only have in a minority situation.

The Governor General could ask the Leader of the Opposition to take over if the governing party lost confidence, but that would be rare and unusual. Probably that would only happen if the last election was very recent, so holding another one would not be the best idea and the opposition seemed like it could get enough support to govern for a while.

 

[BrettB]

Yes, a lot of the Conservative communication about things like pensions here is intentionally misleading. They of course are very eager to have an election right now, because it looks like they will do well which could change over time or with a different PM, so they have self interest too. Of course it is in the NDP's interest to get as much done now of their policies as they can because of the influence they only have in a minority situation.

The Governor General could ask the Leader of the Opposition to take over if the governing party lost confidence, but that would be rare and unusual. Probably that would only happen if the last election was very recent, so holding another one would not be the best idea and the opposition seemed like it could get enough support to govern for a while.

That"s what happened in BC in 2017.